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Oh my.. it works..

Let windows 10 rest fir 10 minutes. I’ve also turned off asio guard, what I take from that is this, any daw that interferes with asio, you want to turn that shit off, SCOPE deals with asio…

Thanks Gary.. I’ve not heard single click so far.. (been playing back project that was clicking about 5 times now, not a single click,, perfect playback)

garyb wrote: Sun May 10, 2020 8:40 am setting power to "high performance" is not really the answer. i use "balanced" and then i disable usb selective suspend and set the minimum and maximum cpu use at maximum. in addition, link state power management is set to "off" in the PCI Express menu.

shutup 10 is not something i would use. all those settings are available in Windows settings. i do not know how a program like that interacts with the computer during use.

all those things in the the steinberg and BH photo pages that you use are more or less what there is to do, but most are redundant.

the fact that those pages exist, illustrates that plenty of other people that did not have Scope cards have had win10 issues.

Also I noticed a “turn off hard drive after 20 minutes” in the settings.

Changed that to “never”

Strange though that the crappy onboard audio device never, Never gave a single pop in wave playback.

Perhaps scope modules could update and let us set even higher latency settings for wave, and asio.

I hope we will finally fix this headache of 1,2 pops every few minutes that is common to many of us, users of scope.

ASIO is not a problem. Wave IS, that is a problem that is not new, but hopefully the next version will address this. it is not simple.

if you have 1-2 pops every few minutes with ASIO, the problem is setup.

latency settings for Wave are handled in the host, not Scope. ASIIO latency is handled in Scope.

If you have pops every few minutes in Scope you still will need to run a DPC Latency Checker and a tool like Process Hacker to identify what is causing the issue. Typically this won't be a Windows service, but at times it *might* be made worse by an errant video driver.

More typically (for the average user, not necessarily YOU) it will be background software used for things like LED lighting schemes (on a keyboard etc), macro editing (again keyboard or mouse software) or even the 'overclocking' style software provided from the motherboard maker or etc. Sometimes it can be something that seems completely innocuous, like Skype or a piece of software running in the background that keeps an audio stream open (Discord, Google.com & Chrome, and many other applications are ALWAYS listening, even when they do not appear to do so).

the Task Manager is usually informing enough.

The color coding and graphing in Process Hacker help me quite a bit, and note that I found an errant kernel level 'anti-cheat' driver doing things that it wasn't supposed to do (naughty naughty Blackrock/Vanguard) via process hacker which does not show up in Task Manager or the normal windows Services list.

right click the start button, choose computer management from the menu.
on left go to services
scroll to bottom of list and look for service name "windows update"
right click it and choost stop.
right click it and choose properties.
change the startup type to disabled

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Scope isn’t the problem.. scope reveals problems with a system..

just allow it to update first.
people gotta use the latest os, but the os is now a service, not a product.

I don’t have time to wait 10-15 minutes on boot.. it sapps my creativity as well.

This removes the interfering load of shite that is Windows update..

It’s made my life a lot smoother.. it works, it ain’t broke, so why “update” anything..

Can of course still update it manually and press that button “WHEN I WANT IT TO HAPPEN”

So yeah, one can have windows 10 “OFF GRID”

I’m in control. Not windows.

garyb wrote: Sat Feb 12, 2022 8:15 pm just allow it to update first.
people gotta use the latest os, but the os is now a service, not a product.

How much of an effect do think using a “mobile” external hdd for all the projects/asio etc and using a ssd as the os hard drive on a ten year old pc hardware (sata 1) is having?

I know software is starting to not behave nice with old cpu chips, for example, wavelab pro 11… it’s new restoration plug in crashes systems with old amd processors that don’t follow “the new instruction set”..,

My 2001 era dual Xeon has trumped every machine since for PCI bandwidth, even after adding a NIC (Intel with coprocessor) and USB2 card (it was USB 1.1). Of course the SCSI bus is attached to the 64bit PCI lanes, and I was able to manually steer the Scope cards so not one shared an IRQ.

Newer is not necessarily better.

Liquid EDGE wrote: Sun Feb 13, 2022 3:03 am

garyb wrote: Sat Feb 12, 2022 8:15 pm just allow it to update first.
people gotta use the latest os, but the os is now a service, not a product.

How much of an effect do think using a “mobile” external hdd for all the projects/asio etc and using a ssd as the os hard drive on a ten year old pc hardware (sata 1) is having?

I know software is starting to not behave nice with old cpu chips, for example, wavelab pro 11… it’s new restoration plug in crashes systems with old amd processors that don’t follow “the new instruction set”..,

i haven't seen that to be a problem here.
i just let things update and then work. if it means that the computer needs to be started early, then i do that.

garyb wrote: Sun Feb 13, 2022 10:22 am

Liquid EDGE wrote: Sun Feb 13, 2022 3:03 am

garyb wrote: Sat Feb 12, 2022 8:15 pm just allow it to update first.
people gotta use the latest os, but the os is now a service, not a product.

How much of an effect do think using a “mobile” external hdd for all the projects/asio etc and using a ssd as the os hard drive on a ten year old pc hardware (sata 1) is having?

I know software is starting to not behave nice with old cpu chips, for example, wavelab pro 11… it’s new restoration plug in crashes systems with old amd processors that don’t follow “the new instruction set”..,

i haven't seen that to be a problem here.
i just let things update and then work. if it means that the computer needs to be started early, then i do that.

Yes sure. Ok. I think you answered my previous post.

What I was asking was the using an external usb drive for all the audio streaming a possible reason for clicks/stutters?

it certainly could.
is that sample streaming? usb is not really good for a whole lot of that. i'd want an internal drive for sample steaming, an ssd, if possible. an nvme would probably be better, but that might be a hassle in an older box.