Any Updates Available for Scope 4.0??

Astral Fridge Magnet · Wed Oct 13, 2004 6:20 pm

Hi

Just wondering whether there are updates for Scope 4.0? I can't seem to find Creamware's site.
But let me add that Scope 4.0 is very stable on my system and I have had no problems whatsoever. Maybe my only gripe is that I still haven't got my head around the STM Mixers. I still use Big Mixer version 2 as I can connect my external Effects machine (Ensoniq DP 4+) in the Auxs. I still can't figure it out with the STMs.

blazesboylan · Post by **blazesboylan** » Wed Oct 13, 2004 6:47 pm

To the best of my knowledge there are no updates.

The CWA site is now: http://www.cwaudio.de

You can hook up external effects using the 16/32 and 24/48 mixers as long as you have a spare stereo channel. Send the aux out to your FX unit. Then send the return to your stereo channel (not to the aux return!).

Hope this helps,

Johann

Shayne White · Post by **Shayne White** » Wed Oct 13, 2004 7:31 pm

Most certainly you should send the effects back to the effects return. That way you won't accidently feed it back into itself and get feedback.

blazesboylan · Post by **blazesboylan** » Wed Oct 13, 2004 10:40 pm

There are bugs with external aux sends.

Post by **hubird** » Thu Oct 14, 2004 7:03 am

that is, on Windows (EDIT: if at all?), not on mac

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wayne · Post by **wayne** » Thu Oct 14, 2004 7:40 am

what's these bugs?

i ain't seen any yet

firubbi · Post by **firubbi** » Thu Oct 14, 2004 7:44 am

hubird did you bought G5 yet? or still on 4 and os 9? somehow i got this feeling mac sounds better than pc. do you konw anything?
thanks

Post by **hubird** » Thu Oct 14, 2004 8:26 am

no G5 yet, still on OS9.2.2.
Waiting for CWA OS-X support...

mac sounding better?
what should I think of that? it's the same CWA card we all are using

Mac's advantage is the fact that hardware and OS are designed for each other, and that you can expect both are very good/stable.
I guess that's why there are no big issues on mac (no IRQ, HT, mobo, ACPI layer, etc. issues), at least not to my knowledge.
However better sounding...? no

firubbi · Post by **firubbi** » Thu Oct 14, 2004 9:06 am

ya you're right... we all are using the same cwa cards and should sound same

IRQ, HT, mobo, ACPI layer those are good issue. anyway hubird thanks a lot

Post by **garyb** » Thu Oct 14, 2004 12:39 pm

as wayne said, what aux bug?

astroman · Post by **astroman** » Thu Oct 14, 2004 3:58 pm

On 2004-10-14 10:06, firubbi wrote:
ya you're right... we all are using the same cwa cards and should sound same ...

as far as SFP plugins are concerned that is right - but CPU processed stuff seems indeed better (or different) on Mac.

I've used the FM7 demo on PC and Mac and I consider myself (somewhat) competent for that sound as I have a TX7, TX802 and PLG150DX original Yamaha FM gear.
Everytime I heard it on the Mac I was rather convinced that it's a really good sounding app, while on the PC it was always kind of 'thin'.
Had this experience several times, as I just couldn't make up my mind to buy it - and now I don't want anymore due to reg hazzle

cheers, Tom

cannonball · Post by **cannonball** » Fri Oct 15, 2004 5:08 am

hi

is a old problem but what creamware does right now?

plugin transfer?

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symbiote · Post by **symbiote** » Fri Oct 15, 2004 10:43 pm

Mostly positive experience here. I haven't noticed the external aux problem either, but I usually use only the internal ones. The problems I've had here were:

1) OptiMaster crashing after a few reloads. Not really a problem, since I don't reload projects very often when at the mastering stage, I just save and recall presets. Also, can be solved by just reloading the software, which takes a few seconds more than loading a new project.

2) Some glitches in delays with tempo-based settings, where you can't select a value under 1/2T or some such. Trivially solved by using milisecond based setting (analogx has a really nice little tool to do the conversion quickly)

3) Kind of tweaky with games.

4) Older devices's preset stuff not working well with SFP 3 and 4. But if you save the project, you also save your patch, so they're still quite usable.

(and maybe some other things I don't remember, but if I don't remember them, they're probably not even an annoyance for me

)

This in 5 years using this platform. I don't know about you, but this is pretty exceptional in my opinion. The software is pretty stable, and I can have it running for days without any problem. I'm not sure how much SFP needs to be updated, it's mostly a few tweaky devices that causes problem. VST/VSTi tend to be alot less stable (it's a device-to-device thing I guess, some VST stuff is rock stable also) in my albeit very limited experience (I barely use 1 VST per project tho, I always end up using the SFP stuff

.)

So call me a zealot or a lucky guy (or a pizza, I'm kind of hungry!) but I wouldn't trade it for anything else in the world. I wouldn't mind faster DSPs and some more memory on the boards to do big convolutions and FFTs and other dirty things, but my current 18 DSP setup lets me do anything I've wanted yet. Someday when I have alot of diskspace and a Koeniggsegg (or two) in the garage, I'll buy a second scope board and will be able to do all the 96khz work I want.

It's a pretty big learning curve, and some work to tweak the OS properly and setup everything, but, awesome performance not widthstanding, it has also been a really really worthwhile learning experience about signal processing and all those evil things in general, which is always a very big advantage when messing with digital recording.

The SFP software itself doesn't need any update, only a few devices here n there.

symbiote · Post by **symbiote** » Fri Oct 15, 2004 10:44 pm

Ok ok, that and the lack of OSX support ^_^

Post by **hubird** » Fri Oct 15, 2004 11:54 pm

ah!...

blazesboylan · Post by **blazesboylan** » Tue Oct 19, 2004 7:40 pm

Sorry folks, I was confusing a couple of things -- a bug that Rogurt mentioned during the summer, and my own decision to use regular channels rather than aux returns (the reason for which I can't for the life of me remember). The two memories somehow blurred into misinformation... Sorry!

Anyway aux works fine. I only wish I had an aux brain.

(Sometimes I think I *do* have an ox brain...)

Johann