Virtual Mixing Console 1.0

djLUNA · Post by **djLUNA** » Thu Aug 19, 2004 5:17 pm

SpinAudio announced the release of Virtual Mixing Console 1.0, the application that can turn your PC into powerfull digital mixer with VST effects processing and VST Instruments host. Support for VST DSP Acceleration cards

http://www.spinaudio.com

BingoTheClowno · Post by **BingoTheClowno** » Thu Aug 19, 2004 6:46 pm

I don't see how would this be useful to Scope users.

Post by **hubird** » Thu Aug 19, 2004 8:00 pm

it should be moved to the off topic forum

spoimala · Post by **spoimala** » Fri Aug 20, 2004 2:03 am

As if my three mixers aren't enough already.
(hardware, nuendo, sfp)

valis · Post by **valis** » Fri Aug 20, 2004 6:03 am

My 2nd machine (which houses my creamware cards) alternates between Ableton Live and Bidule atm, with both local sequencing and control from the main DAW. This could be a more straightforward alternative as well (although I should mention that minus the 'dsp card support' Steinberg's V-Stack works fine with just regular midi and ASIO drivers). Don't think 'instead of' SFP, think 'in addition to'.

marcuspocus · Post by **marcuspocus** » Fri Aug 20, 2004 7:09 am

And also, v-stack doesn't support inputs

while this virtual console does

Big plus for me, working live with a laptop and no SFP...

valis · Post by **valis** » Fri Aug 20, 2004 9:02 am

You're right about that.

Sorry don't actually use V-stack, I just know that most people seem under the impression that it *requires* systemlink (it doesn't).

Having inputs definately seems more interesting (one of the nice things about bidule but far from the only thing). I'm curious about their claims of "Support for VST DSP Acceleration cards." PDC seems to run counter to low latency real-time processing (especially of inputs). Think I'll grab the demo and see if there's a manual or decent help avail.

Mehdi_T · Post by **Mehdi_T** » Fri Aug 20, 2004 10:29 am

does it support midi in/outs (ex, usb midi In to Scope Seq dest ? )...
would help me a lot, but saw no mention of this on the web site.
cheers..

valis · Post by **valis** » Fri Aug 20, 2004 11:04 am

If you're asking if it will function as a software thru (like MidiOX) I'm not sure. I've only got Creamware cards installed on my 2nd pc. It does allow you to assign multiple midi ins and outs to a single 'alias' so its worth investigating (there's a demo).

I also found this in the manual:
"VMC does not support P4 HyperThreading enabled system. Switch off HyperThreading feature in your BIOS in order to use the product"

Didn't find anything about PDC or using 'dsp' based plugins in the manual. I'm not terribly interested in trying XTC with it but someone else is welcome to give it a go and report how well it deals with latencies (I'm interested from an intellectual perspective mostly).

AndreD · Post by **AndreD** » Fri Aug 20, 2004 11:24 am

PDC could be the death for a realtime-mixer

a thought only...

Mehdi_T · Post by **Mehdi_T** » Fri Aug 20, 2004 1:59 pm

Mido Ox, sure, what was I thinking. as soon as i get home i'm going to double click that forgotten icon

thanks for the reminder...

valis · Post by **valis** » Fri Aug 20, 2004 3:43 pm

I'm just curious if its a full PDC implementation. It just wouldn't make sense unless they expect you to play with insanely low soundcard settings to get decent latency--at 128 or 64 samples the number of interrrupts with the added dsp pci traffic as well could be a bit flaky i would think. Perhaps its intended for noncritical functions like sends (reverb/delay)?

AndreD · Post by **AndreD** » Sat Aug 21, 2004 7:05 am

hi,
the PDC affakts the whole song.
the only way is, to use lantency free plugins and low asio buffsizes.
it´s NOT an issue of dsp-based plugs only.
(have a look @ rayverb)

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kensuguro · Post by **kensuguro** » Sat Aug 21, 2004 10:48 am

sounds like a neat solution for live performances. It'll be nice to perform using a beefy kontakt piano. Can't find any other good use for this software tho..

valis · Post by **valis** » Sat Aug 21, 2004 11:04 am

On 2004-08-21 08:05, AndreD wrote:
hi,
the PDC affakts the whole song.
the only way is, to use lantency free plugins and low asio buffsizes.
it´s NOT an issue of dsp-based plugs only.
(have a look @ rayverb)

Yea I know that software plugins can have latency compensation applied too. (PSP's Mixpack and Stereopack both have latencies for most of the plugins for example, even tho they're not all delay-line based). I'm still curious what the 'mixing' is like if its delaying everything.

djLUNA · Post by **djLUNA** » Tue Aug 24, 2004 10:43 am

Whats great about this prog is that its possible to use XTC plugins and synths in a live situation with VST plugins...

dj LUNA

AndreD · Post by **AndreD** » Tue Aug 24, 2004 10:59 am

On 2004-08-24 11:43, djLUNA wrote:
Whats great about this prog is that its possible to use XTC plugins and synths in a live situation with VST plugins...

dj LUNA

...but not with SIR or Rayverb

valis · Post by **valis** » Tue Aug 24, 2004 1:55 pm

Played with it for a bit. Uses more CPU than Bidule or V-Stack & with only a VSTi (no other plugins) was getting crackles when moving SFP devices around on-screen. I'm able to run the same VSTi just fine in Bidule etc. Then I noticed that the CPU Priority in Taskman for VMC.exe was set to 'Realtime'.

Interesting app, I like how you can create group chans as well as mono or stereo chans. We'll see how stable it becomes as it develops...