I used to use logic. It was the app I used when I started to route out to SFP.On 2004-07-31 05:25, at0m|c wrote:
15 replies, no Logic user that liked SFP mixer better :>
Well I have seen the light, no more Nuendo mixer hello SFP!
I don't think Cubase Sx/Nuendo sound better, and I used Nuendo before I used Logic (Nuendo since 1.3x).
As a Logic user the 2 places I'd say SFP beats Logic is synthesis (obviously) and compression/eq. I'm sure a UAD/1 would have Logic running scared on compression/eq as well. Also I'm referring to using add-on (3rd party or otherwise) plugins in all cases (fairchild etc for uad, vinco & timeworks for SFP, tc & waves for Logic).
However much as I outlined in the massive post I put in the off-topic thread about mixing, While its good to discuss the relative merits and detractions of any 'thing', I don't think its healthy to think of something as 'better' than something else in black & white shades. A moog or our minimax are 'better' in many ways than a cheap casio or a sid chip, yet that makes the latter 2 no less useful in certain situations, especially when a cheap/silly sound is just the expression needeed. Consider what the strengths & weaknesses are and go from there. Perhaps its worthwhile to sum a few similar parts in your host audio app to the same output, then mix that as an individual channel for separation in SFP.
The parallel I draw is comparing this to using a JV-series roland synth (or another similar synth) and having 4 tones per patch. Rather than obsess about how to get each tone individually mixed and treated they simply sum in the synth, route through a common effects block and out whatever pair of outputs you choose. The 4 tones can be routed to direct outs (bypassing fx in favor of external treatment) but they still combine into 1 patch/main sound from the synth (ignoring multi's and combo/splits since we're focusing just on the 4 tones that make a patch).
Also its worth mentioning that SFP is prone to phase errors between dsps with certain (especially 3rd party) plugins. Some of the added 'space' that is being percieved could also be attributed to this, so make sure you track down any phase problems and correct them.
As a Logic user the 2 places I'd say SFP beats Logic is synthesis (obviously) and compression/eq. I'm sure a UAD/1 would have Logic running scared on compression/eq as well. Also I'm referring to using add-on (3rd party or otherwise) plugins in all cases (fairchild etc for uad, vinco & timeworks for SFP, tc & waves for Logic).
However much as I outlined in the massive post I put in the off-topic thread about mixing, While its good to discuss the relative merits and detractions of any 'thing', I don't think its healthy to think of something as 'better' than something else in black & white shades. A moog or our minimax are 'better' in many ways than a cheap casio or a sid chip, yet that makes the latter 2 no less useful in certain situations, especially when a cheap/silly sound is just the expression needeed. Consider what the strengths & weaknesses are and go from there. Perhaps its worthwhile to sum a few similar parts in your host audio app to the same output, then mix that as an individual channel for separation in SFP.
The parallel I draw is comparing this to using a JV-series roland synth (or another similar synth) and having 4 tones per patch. Rather than obsess about how to get each tone individually mixed and treated they simply sum in the synth, route through a common effects block and out whatever pair of outputs you choose. The 4 tones can be routed to direct outs (bypassing fx in favor of external treatment) but they still combine into 1 patch/main sound from the synth (ignoring multi's and combo/splits since we're focusing just on the 4 tones that make a patch).
Also its worth mentioning that SFP is prone to phase errors between dsps with certain (especially 3rd party) plugins. Some of the added 'space' that is being percieved could also be attributed to this, so make sure you track down any phase problems and correct them.
yeah Valis, that reminds me on a CD release of Curtis Mayfield, the 'Superfly' soundtrack.
It was one of those mid-price cheapo releases and obviously remixed with modern gear, crisp and transparent as hell.
Everything done 'right', but I just couldn't stand it.
Until I can pick up a 'mint' original somewhere, I'll stay with my Pulsar digitized vinyl copy
Just like the JV synths, I have the Connexant GM-Lib in Giga-format. The individual instruments really s*ck, but once layered they seem to perform quite well.
cheers, Tom
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It was one of those mid-price cheapo releases and obviously remixed with modern gear, crisp and transparent as hell.
Everything done 'right', but I just couldn't stand it.
Until I can pick up a 'mint' original somewhere, I'll stay with my Pulsar digitized vinyl copy
Just like the JV synths, I have the Connexant GM-Lib in Giga-format. The individual instruments really s*ck, but once layered they seem to perform quite well.
cheers, Tom
<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: astroman on 2004-07-31 12:54 ]</font>