SFP vs XTC
SFP vs XTC
somebody asked for it
Re: SFP vs XTC
We need both at the same time.
Re: SFP vs XTC
+1 (unbugged... )maky325 wrote:We need both at the same time.
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Re: SFP vs XTC
Yeah but needing both doesnt compare one to the other. My experience with XTC is limited, but can you bring up the STm2448 in XTC and mix with that instead of the Spewbase mixers ?
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Re: SFP vs XTC
no.
Re: SFP vs XTC
Interesting. Do you have to do anything special to make it happen, or should the STM2448 just appear as a device to select within Cubase by default ?Bifop wrote:Yes you can.
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Re: SFP vs XTC
STM 2448 appears in front of cubase if you let it open in your xtcproject.pro when you save it. It's been known for a while, just search in the xtc section.
It's been known as well that XTC project is a derivative of sfp without the routing and the full modular. Hell, I can even side chain from Nuendo to a Vinco inserted in the STM2448.
What have been asked for years is a real, full XTC/SFP environnement.
It is "close" to be that but alas, no cigar.
I tried Protools 9 in XTC mode and it doesn't start (works in SFP mode though). Avid just opened asio world to it's pro tools. There is a great opportunity to provide dsp to a market that was used to it, at a premium ! An xite-1 (or 1-d) in mixed xtc/sfp mode is a "sort" of pro tools TDM.
Helas, most "PRO" users here (or at the "Elite" XITED.org site) still pat themselves in the back, totally convinced of the bright future of a dsp platform used as a stand alone solution. I'm surprise some of them even use a sequencer.
I never understood the antagonism behind XTC vs SFP.
Make SFP/XTC mode as robust as SFP currently is, and you'll get a fantastic killer product !
My 2cents, not pro, point of view.
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It's been known as well that XTC project is a derivative of sfp without the routing and the full modular. Hell, I can even side chain from Nuendo to a Vinco inserted in the STM2448.
What have been asked for years is a real, full XTC/SFP environnement.
It is "close" to be that but alas, no cigar.
I tried Protools 9 in XTC mode and it doesn't start (works in SFP mode though). Avid just opened asio world to it's pro tools. There is a great opportunity to provide dsp to a market that was used to it, at a premium ! An xite-1 (or 1-d) in mixed xtc/sfp mode is a "sort" of pro tools TDM.
Helas, most "PRO" users here (or at the "Elite" XITED.org site) still pat themselves in the back, totally convinced of the bright future of a dsp platform used as a stand alone solution. I'm surprise some of them even use a sequencer.
I never understood the antagonism behind XTC vs SFP.
Make SFP/XTC mode as robust as SFP currently is, and you'll get a fantastic killer product !
My 2cents, not pro, point of view.
Merry Christmas to All Zer's.
Re: SFP vs XTC
good.
i'm all for anything that strengthens the platform, xtc mode with full sfp functionality would certainly be the best solution, if it's possible.
i'm all for anything that strengthens the platform, xtc mode with full sfp functionality would certainly be the best solution, if it's possible.
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Re: SFP vs XTC
If your host (no longer called sequencers) can route out to external hardware then you can already do both modes.
Stay in SFP mode, route your host's channel inserts to Scope via ASIO channels and you're good to go.
Stay in SFP mode, route your host's channel inserts to Scope via ASIO channels and you're good to go.
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Re: SFP vs XTC
This is the way I use Pro Tools 9 with inserts in sfp mode.
Some problems compared to XTC (like I do in Nuendo)
1) The audio clips most of the time and you have to be very careful with gain level ;
2) Two projects, the windows are "fighting" to be in front (using Nuendo "always on top" windows feature) ;
3) No easy automation, no controller with parameter feedback, needs a dedicated controller, assigning controls via midi learn for each and every device....
4) Total round trip latency is equivalent to XTC mode
I experimented much more in SFP mode than in the past (since XTC wasn't working for a little while for me in 64bits) and found it's strengh and somehow weakness as well.
While very flexible, there is no way for it to be as quick and integrated with the host than XTC, ever.
SFP with insertable plugins within the host please !
PS : Semantically, when somebody uses a software that is only playing some midi files to external scope with no audio return/summing back, I call it a sequencer. It doesn't "Host" much...
Erratum : It's the STM4896 that works with the aformentioned method (I'm not so sure about the STM2448).
Some problems compared to XTC (like I do in Nuendo)
1) The audio clips most of the time and you have to be very careful with gain level ;
2) Two projects, the windows are "fighting" to be in front (using Nuendo "always on top" windows feature) ;
3) No easy automation, no controller with parameter feedback, needs a dedicated controller, assigning controls via midi learn for each and every device....
4) Total round trip latency is equivalent to XTC mode
I experimented much more in SFP mode than in the past (since XTC wasn't working for a little while for me in 64bits) and found it's strengh and somehow weakness as well.
While very flexible, there is no way for it to be as quick and integrated with the host than XTC, ever.
SFP with insertable plugins within the host please !
PS : Semantically, when somebody uses a software that is only playing some midi files to external scope with no audio return/summing back, I call it a sequencer. It doesn't "Host" much...
Erratum : It's the STM4896 that works with the aformentioned method (I'm not so sure about the STM2448).
Re: SFP vs XTC
+1garyb wrote:good.
i'm all for anything that strengthens the platform, xtc mode with full sfp functionality would certainly be the best solution, if it's possible.
I agree...
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Re: SFP vs XTC
Is it possible to run XTC-mode on 5.1 64 bit?
In the Scope manual it says:
XTC mode is enabled automatically if
Enable XTC Mode is selected in the
SCOPE Settings and you start the
sequencer from the Live Bar. Otherwise
Standard Mode is active.
Start the sequencer from the Live Bar????
I don't understand this?
In the Scope manual it says:
XTC mode is enabled automatically if
Enable XTC Mode is selected in the
SCOPE Settings and you start the
sequencer from the Live Bar. Otherwise
Standard Mode is active.
Start the sequencer from the Live Bar????
I don't understand this?
Re: SFP vs XTC
Someone here said that SC said something about XTC and SFP being possible at the same time. I can't recall name.garyb wrote:good.
i'm all for anything that strengthens the platform, xtc mode with full sfp functionality would certainly be the best solution, if it's possible.
Re: SFP vs XTC
I read it too, but it was only rhetorical. You can't run both concurrently as of today.
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Re: SFP vs XTC
I get the message like "bluesynth.dll XTC was not properly installed" or something like this when Reaper scan the XTC folder...¿?
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Re: SFP vs XTC
Some synths dont work. Bluesynth is one of Them:(
Re: SFP vs XTC
=> we need a synth wrapper in xtc modethe19thbear wrote:Some synths dont work. Bluesynth is one of Them:(
- at least to load on other synths into this wrapper like the modular insert for xtc ( but this can only handle efects created with modular)
to avoid the modularsynth renaming procedure or to use other synth which actualy not working in xtc mode
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lg widy
Re: SFP vs XTC
Yep i already asked few year ago for some kind of wrapper/vst modular shell. For some reason i am sure that SC will make one.
Re: SFP vs XTC
how would you go about this say, in cubase 5? like have an insert routed to an asio out?siriusbliss wrote:If your host (no longer called sequencers) can route out to external hardware then you can already do both modes.
Stay in SFP mode, route your host's channel inserts to Scope via ASIO channels and you're good to go.