the third wave

[next to nothing]

i am just waiting for the non-gun-control part of the world to fucking strike a point and save the world. they have the means, time is due, so what are you fucking waiting for?

[garyb]

that's some heavy-duty troll rhetoric. personally, the last thing i want to do is shoot ANYbody, besides, it's not necessary. the populace carries out the controller's will. better to stop the controller than to kill his often naively innocent minions.

as to the US armed forces, they work for the UN. why is one of the "doomsday seed banks" in Norway? it seems like your government supports the agenda too. that doesn't make me want to rail against Norwegians. most of them are good people, just like in America.

Braincell, if you support the eugenics agenda(which is about evolution through BREEDING and genetics not just one group over another), you are doing their work.

[next to nothing]

oh yes, im trolling, ive been away for too long! (i went to greece by the way), and for the fuck of it:

- If you are given the right to bear arms for a certain reason (to keep it short, in an earth-citizen point of view) and if your goverment is totally shit (which is pretty much globally agreed upon), why arent you using your rights?


-as to why the seedbank is located in norway: well, im not saying we are totally innocent when it comes to ruling trhe world. we are a strong 4 million people (about 15 of us in an even reach of the seedbank) ready to strike with our 20.000 strong army at anytime, anywhere ( as long as NATO or EU brings us too much pressure in the axis of evil kenivel)
(or it could be based on the fact that we are a rich fucking coutry, having place to spare in a temperature stable enviroment, did you read about or oil savings beeing spent in shitty locations/buisnisses?

If you dont want to shoot anybody, wtf are you doing with guns? besides burglaries, isnt the point with guns (according to your constitution) to bring a goverment that is making a piss of the rest of the world?

Fuck america. Fuck norway, fuck EU, Fuck it all. You are a fucking citizen of the world.

[garyb]

the guns(if i even had one) are strictly to maintain the last vestiges of my independance.
i never claimed a gun, just my right to have one if they exist at all.

i recognize no world government. i am NOT a citizen of the world, though i AM a human being who lives here. i still reserve the rights of a free man.

i WOULD take up arms, if taking up arms would solve the present predicament. it may happen God help us all, but the current arrangement could work if we could just get these guys to follow thir own rules. the problem is that the jerks in "my government"(as though i need to be governed, the name government is the first clue) work for some other global jerks who are too far away from me to shoot. you can help me out, a bunch of them are nearer to you.

actually, "my government" is the EXACT reason you enjoy a nearly democratic existance at all. they're the only reason you are not a serf in a hard monarchy. the government isn't shit, it's quite workable. the cretins who have overrun it are shit. i'd rather put them in jail than shoot them.

i may spew rhetoric from time to time, but you are pretty grouchy.

oh, and you have ONE of the doomsday vaults because those wonderful guys you're always sticking up for really have contingencies to kill everything and then replenish the earth as they see fit, just like they experiment with cross species genetics and particle cannons that can create black holes, and, the people who run Norway are the same people that run the other lands and they set you up to be a "rich fucking coutry, having place to spare in a temperature stable enviroment"(it couldn't be that love of the Aryan "root race" that Blavatsky loved to prattle on about). look, Norway and even the USA are NOT relatively rich countries. the Congo is a rich country. Mexico is a super rich country. there are rich PEOPLE in Norway, because of well, shipping and other things, some nice and others not so nice(large amounts of cash rarely come from nice)....

just because you don't know what i'm getting at, or you disagree with me is no reason to get pissed off, though.


....and i hope you enjoyed your nice vacation.

[braincell]

It's not a good idea to have ordinary citizens enforcing the law by the use of deadly arms. I don't feel protected by them; quite the contrary. You never known when one will go mad and just start shooting. Just because most gun owners are safe and law abiding doesn't make up for the ones who are not and in such a large nation, their numbers are substantial. I also don't agree with the democrats that hunting with guns should be allowed. It sends the message to people that guns are not bad.

I see a pattern here. When someone disagrees with another member and they have no valid retort, they call him a troll and hope it will shut him up. That is totally infantile. Just argue your point. You don't have to resort to hurling a nerdy definition of what you think someone is. We are all people. Using stupid geek jargon doesn't make you appear more intelligent. It really doesn't. Surely you can come up with a more creative insult than that!

[garyb]

nobody ever called for roving packs of frothing rabid gun toting vigilantes.

anyone can go crazy anytime, anyplace and with deadly force, with or without guns, believe me. it's a fools paradise to feel safe just because the guns and sharp sticks have been confiscated. i don't need many, if any, tools to kill someone if i set my mind to it...

as to the troll thing, i still see next to nothing as a brother human being, not an enemy. he is needling me(by his own admission) and i am just responding in kind. of course, if he is my enemy, then he is trolling and stalking, etc....

i'll say it again, even though it's off topic. if guns are BAD, then get rid of ALL of them. no police guns, no soldier guns and no guns for me. if everyone else including bad guys can have then, then don't deny them to good and law abiding citizens and commoners. we are NOT wards of the state. we are free humanity, the state works for us.

[braincell]

I'm not afraid of the police or the military just the guy living next to me and if I have the right to buy a gun, so does he so the answer is no neighbors should be allowed to own guns.

[garyb]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=052S1yg-zR0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c468LNAQ ... re=related

it's not hard to find examples...

it's more sorry when you fear your neighbors, people that you should have built a relationship with....they can easily kill you or maim you without a gun. be afraid. be very afraid.

[braincell]

We could go on and on about this as we have before. Needless to say I agree with the EU on this as I do on many matters. I probably should be living there.

[coc999]

Look at what EU is becoming....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6QmH-7f ... icle=42887

That is a EU parlement session with the heads of the EU commission after Irish people vote no (in a referendum) against the EU new constitution.

tHE 3RD Wave is the european commission.

[Tau]

The European Community is a perfect example of how to disintegrate states, centralize control and wipe out native culture under a democratic cloak.

Even if we say no (like the Irish did, and they were one of the few countries who decided to vote on the future constitution), our leaders just find a way to do it anyway. Portuguese people were not allowed to vote on this (very important) matter, and neither did the French, Spanish, Italians, Germans, French... shall I go on? Our countries and borders will disappear, but it's not the bliss you'd expect. We are already "European Citizens", and as of this year, the portuguese ID card has a chip, which can be inserted into a special USB reader and authenticate you on the web. So now, we all have dongles!

The head of the European Community is a puppet. A perfect Mr. Potato Man. I'm ashamed that he is portuguese.


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[MD69]

Wellcome to the European Totalitarist Republic ... Just what Iraq was!

Politicians are so accustomed to give the hard stick to their peoples, that they cannot accept their peoples give them!

In my mind, the promises Europe had in it,, are dead in Lisbon.

Politician manipulate the No as being Ani European when in reality it is mostly against the treaty.
This treaty is a bad treaty, mostly because ... of the politicians who have not been able to have a simple common agreement (France refused for exemple to leverage their tax to what was done in others countries for examples, ... and the list goes on).

What is well conceived can easily be described .... the opposite of what is shown in the treaty.

If they want to save Europe in people's mind and restore respect in European construction I would say

"The work received 0/20 from the people ... redo your work". That's the message!

[braincell]

I would love to eliminate our states.

[MD69]

This would suppose a self discipline and coordination capability at individual level ... far beyond what we can observe everyday.

The problem is not with states ... but with human nature

[garyb]

i prefer to keep the criminals in government local, where they can have an eye kept on them.

[Cochise]

I would love to eliminate our states.

I know more than one that would love to eliminate any form of central directives and control.
And, believe me, some of them are VERY powerful people.

Moreover they are good in finding reasons which a huge number of people like.

[Tau]

People talk a lot about the Lisbon treaty, For and Against.

I have NO IDEA of what's in it, what it implies, and how and when we can get out of it if we need to / want to. It is the understanding of the European leaders that we do not need to know - it'll confuse us, and we might get in the way of a perfectly good plan.

If a country votes against, they find a way to go forward without needing a vote.

I'm not a nationalist in the strictest sense, but I do think that our different cultures only contribute to the richness of the whole human experience. Yes, many countries are simply the result of fighting and dividing between the kings and elites, and that's why some countries even have parts that speak the language of its neighbour. But, even before those times, people have lived here and there, and discovered ways of interacting with nature that was fit for each place - independently of who came and claimed to be the lord, those animals, those plantes, those rivers, that climate, those seasons... That knowledge, the living culture of Human on Earth is what is being erased first.

The nationalistic paranoias will last longer than the true traditions, and when colonization is over, and we all dress alike, and eat alike, and speak the same language everywhere in the world, those paranoias may well be the last clinging point to reclaim our freedom.

We are trading a 900-year-old sovereignty for a few delegates to a mock-parliament. Bad deal...

[braincell]

We fought a civil war because a bunch of a-hole southerners wanted slaves and to this very day they are still making trouble for the rest of us who are somewhat more civilized. They constantly fight with each other and nothing gets done. During presidential elections we don't actually vote for president, rather we vote for who our state will vote for. Once there are enough votes in your state, your vote no longer counts! There is also the problem that less populated states have way more power than they deserve. States rights lead to unequal education and a hodgepodge of laws that can vary widely from state to state. There is duplication of government agencies which is expensive and annoying. Each state has it's own motor vehicle administration for instance and they don't talk to each other. When you move you have to go back and forth getting documents from one to show the other. They won't do it for you. We can't have a national driver's license?

[Cochise]

Here is the same. Central politics have very very few space on the media. The informations about are like they concerns the internal politics of a far country we don't give a damn of which. I might say quite just echoes.

As for traditions, my opinion is that the progress, the changes in our daily life mostly make we forget them.
I actually don't know how much this is correlated with the globalization.
For sure it happens that good habits are replaced with bad ones that at first look appear better than the old.

I had the habit to make my backups on optical supports, then I changed this habit.... Ok this is a sh*t example...Apart from the rest, I'm still able to burn CDs


ADDED sorry braincell I'm not ignoring you, just we were posting at the same time but I'd been slower.

[garyb]

there's no way a central government can do any good for actual local humans. it can only be more effecient in it's handling of human issues. no thanks. i'm not ready to be administered by a central corporation that only values me to the extent that i can serve the collective. ptui.

what a weenie way out! oh, mr. authority, please fix everything for me! i'm too lame and stupid to care for myself or my own children!

it makes you wonder how the human race ever survived this long with such spineless, simpering fools who long for a good old dictatorship to make everything neat and orderly....