Who Uses ProWave From Zarg

Tau · Post by **Tau** » Fri Oct 12, 2007 6:12 am

mr. prawn wrote:
why not just use an editor?

Yes, I use WS Editor to program sounds on the Wavestation SR- the graphics are not so good, but bit by bit, it does its job... It's just that if you load the editor, it'll take the MIDI port, and then the sequencer won't be able to address it, meaning there's a time to play, and a time to tweak. The VST version just looks awesome and is already integrated in the sequencer - would be great to program some patches on the laptop, then have the SR sing it.

BTW, there's a program called Midi Quest
http://www.squest.com/Windows/MidiQuest ... About.html
that has loads of editors for hardware, all featuring great GUIs. But the trick is that you can load these editors as VSTis into your projects - therefore embedding the external synths data in the project. For example, you'd have the Wavestation connected, audio and MIDI as usual. You load a Wavestation editor into an instrument track, tell it where to find the instrument, and voila, you can play and edit your hardware as if it was a regular plug-in, then save any patches inside the computer, inside the project.

It's still a bit expensive, though... You can download specific editors to use with the demo, but there is no VST functionality until you buy the full version...

Cheers,

T

dawman · Post by **dawman** » Fri Oct 12, 2007 8:10 am

Thanks again Tau for a shitload of great information.

I used your examples in PW Mod 1_2, and am having a great time. But I don't think that this will be a feasible set-up for live work.

Hopefully it will work with one configuration that saves the presets in Modular, and loads them quickly.

I shall keep you posted.

BTW your rack lid came off. ???!@@!@

A simple tape would have worked, but I sealed the latches w/ 6mm PVC electrical. It should be fine, sorry 4 the delay. ETA 10 /23.

Abrigado,

dawman · Post by **dawman** » Fri Oct 12, 2007 9:25 am

I am having difficulty with the sound. All I hear is the original Prowave patch, and even though it is named after the SSM LP filter, it defaults to the CEM.

In Modular I seem to not have the filter choices of 1_2.

The Tempo All-Pass SF has 2 outpus that are normally routed to the 2 audio outs. I only see the single Prowave green ext. jack. I tried using the left, the right, and even went to the 2 Audio outs above in the JPEG. Notta !!

This patch is one I stole from that Assaf guy, whoever he is. It is the SeaSynth, which I love severely. I wish to see how this would work w/ PW 1_2.

Is it possible? If not no biggie, as I am layering SeaSynth w/ my ARP String Ensemble library. It sounds so Vintage, yet so new. The Hybrid / Analog thing.

Thanks 4 Any Help While I continue Fumbling Around.

Tau · Post by **Tau** » Fri Oct 12, 2007 11:02 am

scope4live wrote: In Modular I seem to not have the filter choices of 1_2.

The Tempo All-Pass SF has 2 outpus that are normally routed to the 2 audio outs. I only see the single Prowave green ext. jack. I tried using the left, the right, and even went to the 2 Audio outs above in the JPEG. Notta !!

First up: The Pro-Wave Modular should also be v.1.2 - check if you have copied this module to the ModularII Modules folder. If you can't get the new filters, it's probably because you're loading the older version.

Second: The EXT in is mono, so you can route only one of the tempo delay outs into the pro-wave. What you could do, to maintain that stereo effect, is to route the out of the MF-Swiss Knife filter into EXT, then, you can bring Pro-Wave's LR outs into the Chorus module, and use the tempo delays in stereo.
You could also mix the output of Pro-Wave with the output of the Flexor delays before the modular outputs, and create a paralell chain with Pro-Wave and flexor patch, mixing only at the very end. It should sound pretty different...

Finally, I'm not sure either if this is the best setup for live use - I use this mainly to create sounds in the studio, so I have a lot of time to switch settings and mouse around... I will be going live a lot more as soon as I can get my magma working, and then I'll be asking for tips! I have also been trying out the SubMod host, but I'm still unsure as to how to load presets in realtime. As you know, you can make one of these patches inside the SubModDevz Mod window and save it as a device - maybe it'll help to load your creations fast!

All the best, and good luck with your discoveries!

T

dawman · Post by **dawman** » Fri Oct 12, 2007 11:27 am

I am continuing to embarrass myself.

mr. prawn · Post by **mr. prawn** » Fri Oct 12, 2007 3:14 pm

Tau wrote:
mr. prawn wrote:
why not just use an editor?
Yes, I use WS Editor to program sounds on the Wavestation SR- the graphics are not so good, but bit by bit, it does its job... It's just that if you load the editor, it'll take the MIDI port, and then the sequencer won't be able to address it, meaning there's a time to play, and a time to tweak. The VST version just looks awesome and is already integrated in the sequencer - would be great to program some patches on the laptop, then have the SR sing it.

BTW, there's a program called Midi Quest
http://www.squest.com/Windows/MidiQuest ... About.html
that has loads of editors for hardware, all featuring great GUIs. But the trick is that you can load these editors as VSTis into your projects - therefore embedding the external synths data in the project. For example, you'd have the Wavestation connected, audio and MIDI as usual. You load a Wavestation editor into an instrument track, tell it where to find the instrument, and voila, you can play and edit your hardware as if it was a regular plug-in, then save any patches inside the computer, inside the project.

It's still a bit expensive, though... You can download specific editors to use with the demo, but there is no VST functionality until you buy the full version...

Cheers,

T

wow i didnt know that about the ws editor, that kind of ruins it for me, and i was about to get it...ill have to look at midiquest - tis expensive, i wish they would let you just buy a specific editor and charge less, but whatever, i guess if i buy more h/w in the future ill already have an editor..cheers for the advice

Tau · Post by **Tau** » Fri Oct 12, 2007 5:41 pm

That's the problem with XP and MIDI, as the drvers are not multi-client, only one app can access a port at a time - either the sequencer or the editor. The same happens with the klangbox, and the BitStream 3X, etc... That's why MidiQuest is so cool, as you can just drop a panel in the vsti slot, and tweak along!

Funny, but I read that CME keyboard controllers don't have this problem, as they say the unit can be configured via the soft editor without losing connection to the app, but I can't confirm that.

Totally agree that MidiQuest should be priced accordingly to the number of editors you need, but it seems like an extraordinary product - especially for the VST integration, but you can't try that until you pay for the full version. Every once in a whle I consider buying it, as I do have a lot of hardware lying around, from the digital age of no-knobs

some Korg, and Yamaha...

By the way, has anybody tried Brainspawn's forte? It's a VST/VSTi host and rack, very configurable in terms of MIDI routing and some audio too, if I'm not mistaken. It's the brains behind the Neko and Miko workstations... Why am I asking? Well, because if you can "vst" your hardware, and "vst" your scope synths (there has been some breakthrough on XTC, as I've read in another thread), then you can load, in one step in forte, a complete set of scope synths, with the correct presets, your patches for the hardware, the effects and all MIDI and audio routing... It does sound too good to be true, but I was wondering if it could be good and true!

I tried the demo for forte once, I remember I was disappointed about something, but i can't remember what, I know it had to do with Live and Rewire... Maybe I'll re-install it to check again, but I'd like to know if anybody's tried it yet, and how they use it. I use Live, mainly, and I'd like to have it play some audio tracks, but mostly MIDI, and have the soft synths outside it, so I can load projects faster - like I do in sfp, except that a project takes so long to load, you have to plan your set / session really well with the devices and polyphony that you need, etc... If a forte project could load the xtc'ed scope synths in one go faster than sfp... could be nice.

T

valis · Post by **valis** » Sun Oct 14, 2007 2:42 am

Multiclient MIDI drivers are much like Multiclient ASIO drivers. Many products don't come with them, and many applications don't support them. However some do, and when you use a company's own software with its own products you often gain access to this easier (CME software using a CME driver at the same time as another app for example).

Overall though you're correct, windows device drivers often are rather selfish, and there's no Core Midi/Audio layer in between to handle advanced routing.