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Post by **hubird** » Sun Mar 04, 2007 7:35 am

scope4live wrote: his talents are better suited as a developer instead or PR work.

It would be great if you could convince them of that

It would make quite a difference if they had someone for the forum PR.

Btw, the positive experience you have with them regarding upgrading features etc. is great of course, noone denies that.
However the same is true for our own SDK devellopers, all updates and betas with extra features proove that.
Yet I wouldn't say that this personal service allows someone to start making strange insults and false accusations of piracy.
In fact, there is no relationship between quality of work and (public) behaviour.
So you also cannot settle the one aspect against the other.
Piddi's remark seems to refer to that logic also.

sonolive · Post by **sonolive** » Sun Mar 04, 2007 8:48 am

someone to start making strange insults and false accusations of piracy.

from now i have not posted about that but :

The facts are :
FEW PEOPLE HERE HAVE OPENED SOME PLUGS ... Right ?
how did they manage this ?
after having been advertised by some few other that knew how to... RIGHT ?

Nobody has advertised the SDK developpers ! RIGHT ?
astroman is claiming he did but we already knew this since more than a week !!! let me smile !

HERE ARE THE FACTS !!!

now, you can claim what you like about DAS, you will never beeing able to deny these facts ...

cheers
olive

Liquid Len · Post by **Liquid Len** » Sun Mar 04, 2007 8:58 am

Sorry Sonolive, you're not convincing anyone that Astro, Shroomz, etc, have hacked your plugs. You guys are the most messed up people I have ever seen from any company! It's hard to believe you're serious sometimes (most of the time). And it's not hard to see where your actions will lead you - I've seen many people canned for conduct that doesn't come close to yours.

astroman · Post by **astroman** » Sun Mar 04, 2007 9:32 am

well Olive, then you will also deny that you ever received this personal message via planetz...
once you've read it, it moves from my out- to my sentbox...

From: astroman
To: sonolive
Posted: 01 Jan 2007 02:51
Subject: happy new year
hi Olive,

maybe you've read my answer to your post on John's thread, otherwise here's a happy new year to you and Eric
whatever you may think about me personally is up to you, but forget about (as John suggested) some overrated (and exaggerated) stuff from last year and most of all that I might have anything against your business.
Take the following paragraph as a sign of good will for newyearsday or whatever you like...

I know about that 'bug' that djmicron published, and you're probably even more interested to read that it's in no way restricted to SDK users.

Anyone can do it with any Scope system, in your particular case removing of the infamous demo protection module that sometimes hops out of phase.
I'm sure you've already changed the files on your server - or you'll do it soon.

I haven't yet published anything about it (not even privately) and I will not publicly do it - as I will also remove the respective devices from my harddisk.
I've tried it out one time, just to prove it can be done and that's about it for my part. Don't misunderstand me - it's not a hack or any particular effort.
You can simply open/edit that stuff like modular.
I don't use unlicensed devices as I'm in the lucky position to be able to afford what I need.

all the best - and be careful in the snow..., Tom

if Eric hadn't made his ridiculous, pointless and offensive verbal attacks against a group of SDK users, there would never have been any word of this in public, so who's p*ssing where ???

sonolive · Post by **sonolive** » Sun Mar 04, 2007 9:34 am

you're not convincing anyone that Astro, Shroomz, etc, have hacked your plugs

i have not tried to ... just read what is written, man, instead of trying to give lessons ...
olive

digitalaudiosoft · Post by **digitalaudiosoft** » Sun Mar 04, 2007 9:40 am

ok !

here is THE mail from djmicron ! you have flamed him too,for have post about this sort of hacking in his topic !

http://www.planetz.com/forums/viewtopic ... 24&start=0

Hello,
i don't know the true name, but the planetz user that has informed me
is shroomz.
I know he is a graphic designer and he has done the gui of my cat modules.
He is involved with mccyrano in developing some new device, so i think
that mccyrano is 99% the informer and mccyrano is the only one sdk
developer that was frightened by my planetz post about the bug and he
have never asked me how the bug works, because he know how and all its
devices are 100% protected.....
Regards

Salvatore

i understand you astroman,you want to keep those dishonest person...
eric

sonolive · Post by **sonolive** » Sun Mar 04, 2007 9:43 am

astroman wrote:well Olive, then you will also deny that you ever received this personal message via planetz...
once you've read it, it moves from my out- to my sentbox...
From: astroman
To: sonolive
Posted: 01 Jan 2007 02:51
Subject: happy new year
hi Olive,

maybe you've read my answer to your post on John's thread, otherwise here's a happy new year to you and Eric
whatever you may think about me personally is up to you, but forget about (as John suggested) some overrated (and exaggerated) stuff from last year and most of all that I might have anything against your business.
Take the following paragraph as a sign of good will for newyearsday or whatever you like...

I know about that 'bug' that djmicron published, and you're probably even more interested to read that it's in no way restricted to SDK users.

Anyone can do it with any Scope system, in your particular case removing of the infamous demo protection module that sometimes hops out of phase.
I'm sure you've already changed the files on your server - or you'll do it soon.

I haven't yet published anything about it (not even privately) and I will not publicly do it - as I will also remove the respective devices from my harddisk.
I've tried it out one time, just to prove it can be done and that's about it for my part. Don't misunderstand me - it's not a hack or any particular effort.
You can simply open/edit that stuff like modular.
I don't use unlicensed devices as I'm in the lucky position to be able to afford what I need.

all the best - and be careful in the snow..., Tom
if Eric hadn't made his ridiculous, pointless and offensive verbal attacks against a group of SDK users, there would never have been any word of this in public, so who's p*ssing where ???

i for sur enow that you wrote this ! did i wrote the contrary ? i wrote that when i received me this mail we already new this since few days !!!

More, this mail prooves exactly what i wrote ... Some plugs have been opened ! ... HERE ARE THE FACTS ? Right ? or no ?

and during few days ... no one has advertised the sdk developper's whom plugs has been opened ? Right ?

olive

Post by **hubird** » Sun Mar 04, 2007 9:54 am

@ Sonolive,
well, this gives hope: "from now i have not posted about that" (namely the formentioned accusations and insults).
(that is, if I can read it as like "from now on I won't post such a things").
Thanks for that, but don't forget to inform Eric also

About the socalled facts:
what are you whining actually?
If plugs are 'open', then they are open!
No codes are hacked, the plugs just could be opened with the usual mouse clicks, just like a not locked door.

You are the develloper, so it's you who has to take care for your plugs' protection.

The same for the 'demo hack', if one can open plugs in SFP even without having access to the SDK, who is then to blame?
Did you see Creamware suddenly accusing us of piracy after they got air of the demo trick?
They just removed the demos from the site, that was all.

So, take your responsibility and take care for your own plugin protection, then everybody will be happy.
If you then also could try to treat our well respected SDK devellopers as your 'little brother collegues' instead of as f***ing pir*tes we all could profit from a better athmosphere.

cheers.

(4 other posts before I got mine uploaded...anyway, it will be clear)

astroman · Post by **astroman** » Sun Mar 04, 2007 9:55 am

sonolive wrote:...
i for sur enow that you wrote this ! did i wrote the contrary ? i wrote that when i received me this mail we already new this since few days !!!
...

you knew about the SDK, for sure - as it's normal to 'open' a device

but now you want to tell me that you also knew it can be done with nothing but plain SFP ???

nah Olive, now you're kidding - Tom

sonolive · Post by **sonolive** » Sun Mar 04, 2007 10:00 am

So, take your responsibility and take care for your own plugin protection, then everybody will be happy.

we totally assume that we have probably had to be more attentive !!! but WE also are convinced that we can learn during all our life !!! developpement is a long and hard and also very interesting way ...

the fact that is disapointing, into this "so friendly" community, as you like to qualify it ... is that no one informed the concerned developpers ... do you find this normal in this fantasticly friendly forum where every one loves every else ?

olive

sonolive · Post by **sonolive** » Sun Mar 04, 2007 10:03 am

you knew about the SDK, for sure - as it's normal to 'open' a device

but now you want to tell me that you also knew it can be done with nothing but plain SFP ???

sorry i don't understand this sentence ... translation speaking ... so i prefer not to answer , i am afraid not to answer the good sense , sorry !

Post by **hubird** » Sun Mar 04, 2007 10:07 am

sonolive wrote:
the fact that is disapointing into this "so friendly" community, as you like to qualify it ... is that no one informed the concerned developpers ... do you find this normal in this fantasticly friendly forum where every one lone every else ?
olive

Yes, that's quite normal if you start from a position where you just trust your friends and forum mates.
Noone was catched to have stolen something sofar, so what should be blown up?
I know several places in my town where I can steal nice stuff without any risk, do I have to warn the owner always and everywhere?
I don't steal, that's enough to know, in my world.

astroman · Post by **astroman** » Sun Mar 04, 2007 10:10 am

hubird wrote:...Did you see Creamware suddenly accusing us of piracy after they got air of the demo trick?
They just removed the demos from the site, that was all...

this is a wrong conclusion and most likely a coincidence of 2 different events around a certain time...
The demos wouldn't timeout (as fast) under certain conditions, but you can manipulate SFP in a way that a demo never times out at all - at least that's my guess from what i heard through the grapevine.
...now we're getting closer to real hacking and only a fool would assume it isn't done somewhere around the globe... unless the software eventually gets mangled by an obfuscating tool

cheers, Tom

sonolive · Post by **sonolive** » Sun Mar 04, 2007 10:14 am

A few emails or pm's would have been enough to clear the sky

hey hubird, let me laugh !!!

you are not the good one to talk about that !
you are not a partisan of these kool resolution for problems !!!

You love to claim and write publically on this forum !!! you love to insult an ironise about everything here publically !!! so please, don't try and give lessons , man !

more, last time i tried to argue with you it was a catastroph !!! so i won't do it this time,

cheers
olive

Post by **hubird** » Sun Mar 04, 2007 10:16 am

@ Astroman, I stand corrected

@ Olive, you are now passing by my good intentions on this page...

Pfew, I give up folks

astroman · Post by **astroman** » Sun Mar 04, 2007 10:20 am

sonolive wrote:sorry i don't understand this sentence ... translation speaking ... , sorry !

no big deal - I just don't believe that Salvatore told you that he opened the devices in plain SFP, afaik he used SDK for that

there's few concern about a handful of SDK enthusiasts, but a several thousand regular users might be 'not so shy'

cheers, Tom

Mr Arkadin · Post by **Mr Arkadin** » Sun Mar 04, 2007 10:21 am

sonolive wrote:
sorry i don't understand this sentence ... translation speaking ... so i prefer not to answer , i am afraid not to answer the good sense , sorry !

Pity you don't apply this dictum to all your posts.

moxi · Post by **moxi** » Sun Mar 04, 2007 12:33 pm

as I'm not an SDK owner or dev, just explain me : here is yes or no a documentation about how to use this SDK?

If not, probably it could be better that all developper here find a way (protected from the eyes of "normal user" if you want) to share their respective knowledge, so such fight won't happen. And building a structured knowledge base will really help all of you to make new and great developments, no? There is a lack here...

if yes, the sdk as I know exist from many year, so how pro dev can have miss so important things? It's not really sarcasm, but, from guys that present (and charge) their works in a so "pro" way, it's strange to read you asking "why other don't inform me"...from my opinion, you wan't to go too fast...with maybe some "opportunisme", that now make your position a bit uncomfortable....

all of that have nothing to see with the quality of your work, be sure...
consider the first part of this post as the most important...

Best regards..

astroman · Post by **astroman** » Sun Mar 04, 2007 2:48 pm

sonolive wrote:...
i for sur enow that you wrote this ! ...
and during few days ... no one has advertised the sdk developper's whom plugs has been opened ? Right ?
olive

yeah, but did you read behind the lines or think about why you received this on new years day ?

...Take the following paragraph as a sign of good will for newyearsday or whatever you like...

obviously you missed it completely
I took the event as an opportunity to show you that I was concerned for your business, despite repeated statements by Eric and yourself. Why did I add a 'take care in the snow' ?

Under regular conditions I would have NEVER informed you about any problems of your devices, because you p*ssed me off a dozen times.
As your friend Eric is currently doing.
Do I really need to tell you how fast a modified copy of all your products would spread. Do you really expect me to be that stupid to do that myself ?
Things like that have happened - and they will happen again.

I have spent several thousand Euro in SFP plugins and Eric dares to call me a pirate. LMAO
He can make a public excuse and edit his nonsense accusations, then I will remove any hints about you-know-what.
Otherwise I will play Gladiator (ask Jimmy for the matching quote if you're unfamiliar with the movie)

really fed up and not amused at all, Tom

astroman · Post by **astroman** » Sun Mar 04, 2007 3:07 pm

moxi wrote:as I'm not an SDK owner or dev, just explain me : here is yes or no a documentation about how to use this SDK?...

it has been explained by SpaceF that this is just the normal behaviour of SDK which doesn't happen if you 'package' your stuff accordingly.
Some developers didn't care and some (DAS obviously) simply overlooked it

imho there are 2 reasons for this storm in a teacup

there have been nasty discussions about the content of some DAS devices - some said it's just the regular CWA 'standard' EQ with a different GUI etc.
Obviously (I don't have SDK) anyone can peek at what's inside - that may be embarassing... I dunno

the other point is that .... but only related to some of the old DAS devices

noone wants to copy designs or so, that's all BS, it's relevant for one single company and it's in their own responsibility.
In an extreme case CWA could sue them for lost revenus

(sorry I'm an a**hole from time to time)

better forget about the whole affair - it's not worth bothering

cheers, Tom