New dsp cards from Creamware ....

proximo · Post by **proximo** » Mon Apr 07, 2003 12:32 pm

Hi peeps !

.. was kind of new to me, but this was
quoted in the french Keyboard magazine (April) about the Frankfurt Messe and creamware:
Quote
Regarding the hardware, we were told by creamware engineers that they had found new
dsps, 2 time smaller and 5 times more powerful than the current ones used on their
card and Noah.
The "portability" (meaning the code) of creamware "know-how" to these new DSP from Analog Device could tremendously improve processing power while keeping the card compact.
Quote.

Now ... I understand the all those upgrade campaign .. stock must go he he

Cheers.
Proximo.

King of Snake · Post by **King of Snake** » Mon Apr 07, 2003 1:20 pm

Well it's bound to happen sometime. I really hope we'll see something of the new cards this year, even if, for me, it only means I'll be able to get 2nd hand old cards for cheaper

5 times more powerful eh? Just imagine what they could do with such power...

Immanuel · Post by **Immanuel** » Mon Apr 07, 2003 1:40 pm

That will be nice. One thought though ... This will have so much power (if they keep the DSP-count), that Creamware might want to push it some more against Pro Tools (including price wice). Lots of thoughts and rumours can spread and grow in seconds on the internet, where people believe the information, they want to believe. This does not stop me from seriously considdering a cheap Pulsar2+ from upgrade campaigne 3.

aMo · Post by **aMo** » Mon Apr 07, 2003 1:49 pm

The current system works fine for me, I have even ordered a PulsarII with balanced I/O as an upgrade..

If this is a fact, and we might se a new card already this year, thats fine with me, I still have a Pulsar 1 and a Powersampler (Luna2) that could need an upgrade too

As long as they make them backwards compatible, it's kool & the gang!
(If not, they BETTER offer me a decent upgrade price hehe)

siberiansun · Post by **siberiansun** » Mon Apr 07, 2003 3:27 pm

On 2003-04-07 14:49, aMo wrote:
As long as they make them backwards compatible, it's kool & the gang!
(If not, they BETTER offer me a decent upgrade price hehe)

exactly, i REALLY hope i can use an stdm cable between old and new.
that wouldn't be too much to ask would it?

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dehuszar · Post by **dehuszar** » Mon Apr 07, 2003 10:09 pm

they pulled it off between Pulsar I and II technologies. This is all speculation unfortunately. Though the suger-plums dancing around in ones head is a relatively intoxicating one.

Sam

Shayne White · Post by **Shayne White** » Wed Apr 09, 2003 5:46 pm

If the new chips run the same code, then I think they could probably link the older cards with the new ones. I'd love to get my hands on one of those puppies (if they ever come out) -- can you imagine having a Scope card with 15 of the new DSP chips? 5X more powerful -- that's like having five Scope cards! Imagine the possibilites! MiniMax and Prophet Plus running 10 voices each! YES!!!!!

Shayne

astroman · Post by **astroman** » Wed Apr 09, 2003 6:47 pm

if the numbers above are correct, you might consider that those TigerSharcies are about 10 times as expensive as the current ones

The Analog pages suggest a base price of $200/piece in thousand quantity.

cheers, Tom

Post by **garyb** » Wed Apr 09, 2003 7:00 pm

i'll wait.

King of Snake · Post by **King of Snake** » Thu Apr 10, 2003 10:25 am

On 2003-04-09 19:47, astroman wrote:
if the numbers above are correct, you might consider that those TigerSharcies are about 10 times as expensive as the current ones
The Analog pages suggest a base price of $200/piece in thousand quantity.

cheers, Tom

Hmmm...it's strange, prices for CPU processors are going down all the time, for the same price that you bought a Pentium 3 1GHz a year ago, you can now buy a processor that's at least twice as fast. The old Sharcs have been around for far longer but the Pulsar boards have never really dropped in price, although it would seem logical that now after all these years, a 4 DSP board with Tigersharc would cost as much as a 4 DSP pulsar 1 cost when first released.

astroman · Post by **astroman** » Thu Apr 10, 2003 5:31 pm

the TigerSharcs have 12x the on-chip memory of the current ADSP-21065, but they run at 250 MHZ and the memory is multiported, that's what makes them expensive.
-- oh, I forgot: if you order them in quantities of 2 million units they get significantly cheaper

But I probably used the wrong table (or the wrong calculation) so it's much more likely the next board will contain ADSP-21161s.
Those have 3x processing and 2x more cache, which will make a '6 times as powerful' for marketing

The TigerSharc is NOT mentioned to be full code-compatible, but the ADSP-21161 is.
Last but (unfortunately) not least the TS is considered a military device...

cheers, tom

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King of Snake · Post by **King of Snake** » Thu Apr 10, 2003 7:25 pm

Last but (unfortunately) not least the TS is considered a military device...

Ah, just like the Playstation 2's "emotion engine" then

astroman · Post by **astroman** » Thu Apr 10, 2003 8:41 pm

no, one of the apps listed is ...military smart munition...

Grok · Post by **Grok** » Thu Apr 10, 2003 9:13 pm

What features I think new CW cards should have:

1) a lot of onboard DDR Ram to avoid conception-based kinds of "PCI issues"

2) a capacity to "bounce" that render the XTC mode really usable with no hassle when wanting to "bounce" or "mixdown"

Ashkenazy · Post by **Ashkenazy** » Fri Apr 11, 2003 3:55 am

So when will these new cards come out?

If you upgrade now, it might be a shame of the money because you'd better save it for the new cards.

thermos · Post by **thermos** » Fri Apr 11, 2003 6:24 am

they will probably be out over the weekend.

rodos1979 · Post by **rodos1979** » Fri Apr 11, 2003 7:30 am

hehe

aMo · Post by **aMo** » Fri Apr 11, 2003 8:52 am

Why are you guy even discussing the TigerSharc's?

It would be like me thinking about the next generation VW Golf.. It MIGHT have a 8L W12, because I've READ that Volkswagen have developed such an engine..
(And probably a parachute mounted in the back to stop the damn thing

Get real... It ain't happening.. Unless you wanna pay 20000$ for your next card...

If the next generation SHARC they use, has EXACTLY the same processing power, but is half the size/cost, then I think we should be happy, if it has added processing-power as well, we should consider it a bonus..
(My point beeing that if the SHARC is smaller, we can fit more of them on the cards..)

astroman · Post by **astroman** » Fri Apr 11, 2003 4:27 pm

I apologize again for messing up the tables, and I've already written above that it most certainly (99.5%) won't be those Tigersharcs and why imho. So they should be out of discussion now

cheers, Tom

aMo · Post by **aMo** » Fri Apr 11, 2003 4:42 pm

Although.. It would'nt hurt to have some military grade hardware in the studio..hehe

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