Should I buy a MAC ??

BlackSun · Post by **BlackSun** » Tue Mar 04, 2003 4:34 am

Should I buy a MAC ??
Or is there a REAL alternative?
It drives me insane!
Can´t work with ugly and buggy ware...
What about Pulsar on MAC? Is it working? Will there be an OSX support?

samplaire · Post by **samplaire** » Tue Mar 04, 2003 4:59 am

1. yes, buy a Mac but not the latest ones (they don't support OS 9); try to avoid dual proc.

2. OS X support - try the CW forum for details ( http://shop.creamware.de/forum/Dsp_Syst ... 7D864}.htm ) - Astroman explains deeply why, what etc.

3. Pulsar on a Mac is ok. And remember - a 933MHz Mac is more or less equal the 1.8GHz Pentium (I say - more or less - similar amount of vsti opened etc.)

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BlackSun · Post by **BlackSun** » Tue Mar 04, 2003 6:31 am

Can´t live with SX...
Should I expect any sfp-related problems with Logic6 and OS9 ?
In the main, I´m using SFP for mixing.
(STM, Vinco, MV-Pro, ModEfx........)

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samplaire · Post by **samplaire** » Tue Mar 04, 2003 7:05 am

Should I expect any sfp-related problems with Logic6 and OS9 ?

Unfortunately I don't know Logic (use Cubase) but one thing went to my head recently - be aware XTC mode is not available on Mac. Anyway you will be glad with your mac based DAW

Grok · Post by **Grok** » Tue Mar 04, 2003 7:09 am

Buy a Mac if you like expensive gears...

Buy a Mac if you want a museum piece...

But don't come crying later...

The best things are on PC now; see the price of the Mac's convolution reverb Altiverb by Audioease; see that it's priced half the price of Samplitude Professional 7 that got a much better reverb with it's Room Simulator in real time and also gives you a thousand of other professional features...

Buy a Mac if you're crazy...And if you have too much money

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Grok · Post by **Grok** » Tue Mar 04, 2003 7:19 am

On 2003-03-04 04:59, samplaire wrote:
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3. Pulsar on a Mac is ok. And remember - a 933MHz Mac is more or less equal the 1.8GHz Pentium (I say - more or less - similar amount of vsti opened etc.)
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It's a pity for the Mac, considering that 1,8GHz is the low-end in the PC world today

How much Apple sells these 933MHz? Come on, tell me, make me laugh...

Grok · Post by **Grok** » Tue Mar 04, 2003 7:22 am

Remember the Mac is good for the sellers, because they don't have to know what they sells you; they don't have to work too much...So they'll always tells you that the Mac is the best.

Mr Arkadin · Post by **Mr Arkadin** » Tue Mar 04, 2003 7:53 am

Grok wrote:

Remember the Mac is good for the sellers, because they don't have to know what they sells you; they don't have to work too much...So they'll always tells you that the Mac is the best.

Mac is also good for musicians and developers as they don't have to work too hard to get it working! I would still rather have my (museum piece) 500MHz single processor G4 than any of the latest PCs (and I originally did everything on PCs, so I have no bias - I use what gets the job done for me).

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samplaire · Post by **samplaire** » Tue Mar 04, 2003 8:00 am

hey Grok, take it easy, did any Mac bite you recently or so

Have you ever find me attacking PCs?
Peace

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samplaire · Post by **samplaire** » Tue Mar 04, 2003 9:14 am

How much Apple sells these 933MHz? Come on, tell me, make me laugh...

To be honest, they are disscontinued, yet.

Grok · Post by **Grok** » Tue Mar 04, 2003 10:06 am

No war, I really don't care about PCs, I was on Atari at my beginnings.

Unfortunately I can't consider the Mac as a good solution today. It's too much high priced at every levels, hard and soft, with no advantages.

If you want a stable solution with best performances and best results for multitrack mixing at the best price with no hassles, go with a PC, Windows XP and Samplitude Pro 7. There's no way you can do the same, have the same comfort and the same quality of work with a Mac at the same price and perhaps even with 50% more money...

This is a user technical and a performance/price ratio point of view, based on the today market options, nothing emotional or affective

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Post by **hubird** » Tue Mar 04, 2003 10:41 am

it seems you have a personel problem with mac, Groc.
Why don't you start your own thread about it?
I'm deeply satisfied with mac, as are all my comp friends, most of them working on professional base

R-type · Post by **R-type** » Tue Mar 04, 2003 3:55 pm

I don't recommend a Mac is you use lots of VSTi's and of course want XTC.

Mac's are no more reliable or easier to use. They have HUGE problems with external gear such as scanners, digital cameras etc which probably isn't an issue for musicians.

I've given up trying to get web applications working stable on a G4, with Windows XP it all just works sweetly.

AMD and Intel have gone head to head and left Mac hardware in the dust. Macs are just too slow.

If you use Protools or Logic and multitrack with a few effects then Macs are still as good as they ever were. PCs have just overtaken them.

Mostly it's the cost that makes me dislike Macs. I mean wouldn't you rather have more plugins and DSP boards than a fancy case?

Mr Arkadin · Post by **Mr Arkadin** » Tue Mar 04, 2003 4:37 pm

R-Type wrote:

They have HUGE problems with external gear such as scanners, digital cameras etc

Yeh, that's why professional graphics people use Macs, cos they're useless with graphics equipment.

astroman · Post by **astroman** » Tue Mar 04, 2003 5:13 pm

hi R-Type,

so it's the costs ? I remember 94 ordering about a dozen Macs for a publishing company. Indeed, they were twice the amount of comparable PCs that time.
But I can assure you they were used until 2000 in day to day use without a single loss of data.
The only reason to retire them was that current internet browsers didn't support those machines anymore.
So you're gonna tell me you used an Intel box over 6 years on four major OS releases with about no extra amount of service and hardware ?
Those 'incompatible' items you mention are mostly by vendors from the wintel world, who simply don't know enough about Mac system architecture.
I've had frequent laughs about their installer CDs.
The most significant problem Apple currently has is that they seem to stick to that 'big numbers-giga-whatsoever' kind of marketing.
Their latest machines are the most horrible releases they ever did.
Powerful in numbers but a pain in the *ss to operate and totally unreliable due to that clockrate hysteria.
I've a couple of old Macs from 16-80 MHZ, which easily outperform any M$Office crap on whatever clocked machine (simply because the apps are written 20 times smarter), so I've returned to them when it comes to design and documentation works.

cheers, tom

Michu · Post by **Michu** » Tue Mar 04, 2003 5:26 pm

all you say is true Tom,

yet last mac i considered nice machine was beige g3. you could see considerable regression of quality in those soapbox designs...
btw, my parents still use my old 200mhz MMX box for Office and internet. i don't remember how many years ago it was bought, yet it is still compliant with current browsers

OTOH, if you want badly to run Logic 6 or Digital Performer you don't have much choice...
just be sure to check out Nuendo and Samplitude

Grok · Post by **Grok** » Tue Mar 04, 2003 6:10 pm

Come on guys, I urge you all to buy a lot of Macs!

Coz in this eventuality I'll be one of a few to use the best audiosoft in the world

:wacko:

I named Samplitude Professional 7 -only on PC-,

When the Mac's audio users will spend millions of bucks to be allowed to mix 20 poor tracks with bugged Mac's audiosoft

and 5-6 poor plugins that will cost them a fortune for doing a piss of a cat

The first essential thing is that everybody must have a chance to be happy

Spending too much money is a good way to be happy, so go! Go! Go!

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Michu · Post by **Michu** » Tue Mar 04, 2003 6:34 pm

Grok,
come on, why are you so negative and agressive?

Macs are only computers, they don't have reversed pentagrams on splash screens...
computers should not be religion

I am glad you are happy user of PC and Samplitude,
i am PC user too and i have Sampli in very high regard for long time
but
if someone else is happy user of Logic 6 or DP or whatever on Mac
why attack him for this?

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Mr Arkadin · Post by **Mr Arkadin** » Tue Mar 04, 2003 7:11 pm

Grok's on a real zealot trip with this issue. What's come over him? Did a Mac fall on his head in a freak accident? I thought being Pulsar users we'd outgrown the Mac v PC debates you see add nauseum on other forums. If the card works who gives a shit what platform it's on? Have you got shares in Samplitude or something? People use whatever software they want. I use VST. I could think of a million reasons to switch to Logic or something else. I just use the path of least resistance to make music.

Post by **hubird** » Tue Mar 04, 2003 7:18 pm

if people loose selfrespect, I stop argueing.

Grok, put your simplitude head in your pc and be happy.