my thoughts on creamware today.

thermos · Post by **thermos** » Fri Jan 17, 2003 12:57 am

when can i get my hads on that b3 emu an that filter device?
noah...?? nah im not that excited bout it, if they wanted to make some outboard they should have made an hw version of their stm mixer, to keep the cost down it should have no preamps or analog inputs it should only come with a pci card with 4 or 6 z-link ports. it should have had the same bus arcitecture and eq/dynamic section as the software. on insert and sends you should have the options of loading their other plugs.

the pci card wold be a super low latency asio card aswell as being able to connect to other cw cards, this way people who just wants a mixer for their sequenser could get one, and us pulsarians could get one to free up some dsp power and get a more hands on mixing experience.
it should also be possible to run third party plugs on it( celmo, timeworks etc..)

mmm..maybe next year??

thermos

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Skunker · Post by **Skunker** » Fri Jan 17, 2003 2:57 pm

it has USB support as an audio card, that's excellent.... may be a smaller version for "poor" people would be nice, but it's a great evolution.

King of Snake · Post by **King of Snake** » Sun Jan 19, 2003 8:32 am

Not much use discussing what you think they "should have" made. I'm sure everybody would have like to see something else. But the NOAH sure looks and sounds very promising. Especially in combination with a laptop it could be a winning formula. It's expensive, but you get a lot of bang for the buck. Many of the Devices sound wonderful, en the USB interface sounds very handy as well. The only problem may lie in Polyphony, but the amount of different devices make up for it I think.
Of course, it's not that interesting for Pulsar owners, but the way I see it, Creamware just opened up a whole new market to themselves, that of the non-computer musicians. I don't think this should be underestimated. Before this, Creamware was really only interesting for people who aren't put off by investing a lot of time into the computer, and do a lot of the programming on the computer as well. If they manage to get people excited about NOAH, this may well mean a pretty large expansion of the Creamware user base.

thermos · Post by **thermos** » Sun Jan 19, 2003 10:01 am

i wasnt putting noah down. I think its a very good idea. All I tried to say was im really interested in that b3 emu, and that i like to see a hw mixer/controller for sfp at one time. And at this time noah isnt on top off my list, its on my list though

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thermos

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Shayne White · Post by **Shayne White** » Sun Jan 19, 2003 2:53 pm

My only question is how much can you edit Noah synths with a little LCD display? They're taking big, elaborate soft synths and fitting them onto a character-based display; I wonder how much you can edit synth parameters? That eKo synth from Open Labs looked like it would be easier to use without an external computer, but then I'm coming from a computer user's point of view.

Interesting products....

Shayne

astroman · Post by **astroman** » Mon Jan 20, 2003 6:11 pm

I don't think NOAH's display is for editing, but for controlling a selected set of parameters during live play.
Looks like the 10-Control by IBK (probably they licensed just that), which is advertised as an ideal solution for Pulsar, so CW would even spare developing the controller software.
Imho the eko isn't such an improvement regarding the user interface.
True, no cluttered devices or cables but the control elements are spread 'all over the table'. Turn your head left - move a fader - turn your head right - what's on the display.
Recently bought several micro atx for the office, 800 bucks including a TFT panel and so damn small they'd fit in any keyboard.

I'd rather appreciate the classical design like the Minimoog, ARP or old Yamahas have and a tape-recorder-like interface for recording.
It's still an unsolved issue and I frequently think about connecting software GUIs to tactible hardware - but no affordable solution yet. Ontik, any advances ?

cheers, Tom

Post by **garyb** » Mon Jan 20, 2003 10:32 pm

well, you could edit on the computer.......

mythalethe · Post by **mythalethe** » Tue Jan 21, 2003 3:57 pm

I am wondering why there has been no mention of whether we will be able to load our Pulsar and third party synths (hummel, etc.) from SFP with our presets into NOAH? This would be the central selling point for anyone wanting to take the SFP devices out live with less worry about system crashes, etc., that you get with a rack DAW for example?

-mythalethe

visilia · Post by **visilia** » Tue Jan 21, 2003 6:56 pm

I cant remember which developer it was, but I heard one talking about making his devices 'noah compitable'. That would suggest that devices need to be specially designed for noah compatibility.

cheers,
vincent

Ganool · Post by **Ganool** » Wed Jan 22, 2003 1:49 am

Does someone have any indication of how much the Noah will cost? It wouldn't surprise me if it will cost around 3000 euro.

Carl.

spacef · Post by **spacef** » Wed Jan 22, 2003 2:30 am

more like 2.000 €

http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM03 ... /Noah.html

Its a live instrument that can be used as a soundcard too (studio or live) , not just a pulsar in a box....

petal · Post by **petal** » Wed Jan 22, 2003 7:26 am

This was found at the buttom of the article: "Noah will be available in April, 2003. Projected list price for the standard version is US$ 2,075 net, and US$ 2,525 net for the EX version."

Thomas

Shayne White · Post by **Shayne White** » Thu Jan 23, 2003 4:15 pm

How did CW manage to fit eight channels of 24/32-bit audio, MIDI, and synth parameter data on a single USB 1.1 cable!? It has to be USB 1.1 because they're showing Noah hooked up to a PowerBook, and they don't have USB 2.0.

I wish they'd implemented FireWire instead of USB -- they might have been able to do more.

Shayne

huffcw · Post by **huffcw** » Thu Jan 23, 2003 5:29 pm

I think it would be impossible to get 8 in/out on standard USB 1.1 - there is just not enough bandwidth. Aren't some USB 2.0 devices backwards compatible with 1.1? I wonder if it has USB 2.0, but can work with 1.1 with less simultaneous in/out. Did you actually witness how many in/out they could get on the demo model?

The other possibility is that the demo has USB 1.1 - but the release model will have USB 2.0.

I really wish Creamware would provide more solid information and specifications. There are a lot of questions unanswered by the very vague information that are making available.