mixer - yes or no

assaf · Post by **assaf** » Fri Jan 10, 2003 5:39 am

hello, i was thinking of buying the behringer ub1204 eurorack pro mixer for my cubase-pulsar setup.

i want to record vocals and guitars with it.

anyone know its ups and downs?

thanks

zezappa · Post by **zezappa** » Fri Jan 10, 2003 8:19 am

I get one to plug with a Pulsar Plus (balanced I/O) and a LunaII (1 pre send to left + 1 post send to Right) and many other routing possibilities. Clean sound and good mic/line pre Amps. A must and I couldn't find better (in that price range).

spoimala · Post by **spoimala** » Fri Jan 10, 2003 8:20 am

Why a mixer for recording vocals and guitars? A good preamp would be a good choice.
If you want many tracks at once, this one is analog, and your Pulsar has only one stereo analog in. So consider a digital mixer with ADAT.

Shayne White · Post by **Shayne White** » Fri Jan 10, 2003 5:44 pm

I use a Mackie mixer for Mic PREs and then connect the insert outs to an Alesis AI3 ADAT module hooked up to Pulsar's ADAT ins. It works very well, but it probably isn't the most cost effective.

Shayne

assaf · Post by **assaf** » Sat Jan 11, 2003 6:04 am

well, i have the pulsar II plus, so i got 2 analog balanced in/outs,so i thought that at the price that i can afford my self, i can get the ART tps pre-amp or the behringer ub1204 pro mixer, i think that with the mixer i get more opportunities and i'm sure that at that kind of price range the differences in quality are minor...

is there a mixer (at that price range) that can control the pulsar/cubase mixer with midi?

thanks

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zezappa · Post by **zezappa** » Sat Jan 11, 2003 8:44 pm

I've faced your problem two months ago and my option was the UB 1204 but I use 2 mics, a bass, a synth and a drum box, so the pre amp lacks my needs. (and for 170 Eur what could I get better?

)
I also think that more important than a little better mic pre-amp is a good microphone instead. However, the DBX minipre or 266XL, Joemeek MQ3 or VC2, TLA
FAT-1 or Ivory 5050, Focusrite Trackmaster or Penta, ... all very valueable devices but price range is increasing... and can ever be added later
Finnaly a mixer with midi control the Event EZ Bus, but another price range, this.

good choice

braincell · Post by **braincell** » Fri Jan 24, 2003 11:17 am

I don't use a MIxer. Instead I use the A16 and a couple of patch bays with many small patch cables. I am very happy with this system but I have to buy a mic preamp.

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zezappa · Post by **zezappa** » Sat Jan 25, 2003 9:04 pm

[quote]
On 2003-01-24 11:17, braincell wrote:
I don't use a MIxer. Instead I use the A16 and a couple of patch bays with many small patch cables. I am very happy with this system but I have to buy a mic preamp.

...but you've probably spent a bit more than 170 Eur

AndreD · Post by **AndreD** » Sun Jan 26, 2003 7:24 am

DBX Mini-Pre could be a good choice for U...
For more channels, the tascam ma 8 seems to be an interesting device...
For me, Creamwares STM together with any multi-channel AD-DA converter are mixer enough.

[ This Message was edited by: Andre Dupke on 2003-01-26 07:31 ]

thermos · Post by **thermos** » Sun Jan 26, 2003 6:45 pm

iv got luna breakout box conected to a mackie 1604. This works great for me because it lets me have several instruments ready for use/record at any time. Its also a must when i have other musicians over. we can jam and wright songs without any hassle. iv got two mics connected to my mackie one for vox and one for accoustic guitar, and iv got one guitar and one bass pod connected aswell.
the mackie also offers a great preamp alternative to my blutube.

so my point is get a used mackie mixer it really makes it easy to expand your system and use it in different ways

AndreD · Post by **AndreD** » Mon Jan 27, 2003 8:44 am

"Its also a must when i have other musicians over"

What can you do with your Mackie that is not possible with STM-mixers??

We are jaming together over STM and I did a lot of recordinx (inclouding talkback and monitor-mix) like a 5 man punk band without an external mixer (I sold my mackie 8 bus

)

six_wax · Post by **six_wax** » Tue Jan 28, 2003 11:08 pm

you must love mouse mixing.

a half decent external mixer is a great extension to your CW rig once you get setup and settled...

digital works well too.

huffcw · Post by **huffcw** » Tue Jan 28, 2003 11:16 pm

I would go for an Event EZbus digital mixer.

It has ADAT input/output - is also functions great as a control surface via its USB midi and regular midi outs. It can also bring a midi controller keyboard in via midi - as well as do USB audio (not that you really need the USB audio with a Pulsar system running).

The mixer is ultra flexible both as an actual digital mixer and as a midi control surface. You can program it to just about any confirguration.

This is an excellent, quality mixer at an awesome price. Plus - Event is offering a $100 rebate through the end of January.

http://www.eventelectronics.com/

AndreD · Post by **AndreD** » Wed Jan 29, 2003 6:41 am

On 2003-01-28 23:08, six_wax wrote:
you must love mouse mixing.

Real pro-mixing on ub1204 ?!

Hhmmm...
Lets come back to topic

We are talking about behringer ub1204 eurorack...

In my opinion, you have to pay a lot for a mixer (and cables) to get A 16 / STM quality..
The most "payable" mixers will decrase your sound-quality!

By the way, I don´t like mouse-mixing, but I´m HATING "half and half" with cheap mixers

Lets hope for mackie-control support in version sfp 4.x....

[ This Message was edited by: Andre Dupke on 2003-01-29 06:57 ]

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Wed Jan 29, 2003 6:51 am

Or use radikal technologies sac 2.2

Spy · Post by **Spy** » Wed Jan 29, 2003 9:37 am

I use Behringer EuroRack UB1204FX-PRO:
http://www.behringer.com/02_products/pr ... X&lang=eng

I'm quite happy with it. I'm almost a newbie but this mixer is what I need: for recording vocals, guitars, or other instruments... it has built in preamps, integrated 24-bit digital stereo FX processor (which i don't think is useful), does not make a lot of noise...

Anyways, since I'm not doing commercial music yet, I don't need an expensive digital mixer... If I see that my little behringer is not enough and good mixer can earn the money I would pay for it back - why not to buy it?

Cheers

marcuspocus · Post by **marcuspocus** » Wed Jan 29, 2003 11:33 am

On 2003-01-29 06:51, legros wrote:
Or use radikal technologies sac 2.2

Specially since SAC2.2 support pulsar devices!

AND integrate in logic seamlessly also...

assaf · Post by **assaf** » Wed Jan 29, 2003 2:44 pm

well...

can someone compare between the ART Tube mp Preamp and the Behringer ub1204 preamp?

thanks

zezappa · Post by **zezappa** » Wed Jan 29, 2003 3:37 pm

as said before... behringer!

AndreD · Post by **AndreD** » Wed Jan 29, 2003 5:25 pm

For me, the best "cheap" pre-amp is dbx mini-pre...
(sounds realy expensive

)

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