Any news about windows11 drivers?

[bosone]

now that window 10 has stopped to be officially supported by microsoft, Is there some clues about the release of windows 11 drivers from Sonic|Core??

[garyb]

v7 works the same in win11 as win10.
do you need win11? win10 won't just explode.
if you use the Scope computer for browsing the internet, in a few months you might need to be more careful, and win11 might be a good idea, but in a working studio environment, there is no advantage.

[bosone]

Thanks, the fact that drivers are working Is a good news, i was not aware of this
I will not upgrade now, I'm just considering the idea and preparing for it!

[valis]

My WinXP Scope box ran until 2021, in a 2001 era machine. Now my PCI cards are in a Win10 box. Xite is on a Win11 box. I see zero difference for audio tasks, but if it's your primary PC also then it makes sense to upgrade.

Personally, I love machines that do dedicated tasks, so I've been using N150 "NUC" style machines from Beelink and other companies as 'productivity' machines alongside my main workstations. I have 3 of those small boxes now (technically, one Intel N150 which was under $150 on sale, one i3 which was about $225, and one i5 which was surprisingly not much more expensive but also on sale). And each is very useful, completely modern, and so cheap they can be relegated to running RTA audio displays or etc when they obsolesce and are easily and cheaply replaced. Scope? Not so much.

[Bud Weiser]

v7 works the same in win11 as win10.
do you need win11? win10 won't just explode.
if you use the Scope computer for browsing the internet, in a few months you might need to be more careful, and win11 might be a good idea, but in a working studio environment, there is no advantage.

What about,- (quote from: https://vi-control.net/community/thread ... st-5781121 ...

"Security updates for vulnerabilities found in core Windows libraries and drivers, for example, that can be exploited if your PC is connected to Internet."

We all ARE connected to the web occasionally when using native VST (and SCOPE v7, PCI and/or XITE), using NI Native Access, Cherry Audio Sync, IKM Product Manager and other´s software install/update "helpers".

So, when simply a connection to the web enables to attack windows, software manufacturer´s trustworthy websites won´t matter,- no ?

A.t.m. I wonder if I should install Win10 Pro 22H x64 on my main DAW machine which is currently still Win 7 Pro SP1,- or if it would be better to install Win 11 25H2 by trying "FlyOobe" - https://github.com/builtbybel/Flyoobe.

Bud

[garyb]

no.
the pirate needs to find the computer first. if the computer is behind a router's firewall, that is extremely difficult. any villian who can find your computer can hack into it in ANY cirumstance.

the only way normally, that a bad actor can find your computer is if you connect to them, via a browser or other application. if you aren't surfing, the chances of bad things happening are nearly zero with XP, Win7, Win8, Win10 or whatever.

if any of those "helpers" are hacked, you are screwed in any case. otherwise, the risk is close enough to zero to be called zero.

many things in this world are possible, few are probable.

anyway, you can tun Windows 10 LTSC and continue to get updates.
you can apply for extended updates(free for one year, if you allow Windows to run a backup through a M$ account) for $30.

it's not an emergency.

[valis]

Correct, you can extend the support for another year by connecting the computer to a MS account and thus your OneDrive account and enable cloud backup. They are hoping to get subscribers this way, move your documents and downloads etc before this to stay well under the 5GB limit and it should be free. Also note the $30 WIn10 ESU equires inputting another key.

[Bud Weiser]

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thx for then explanation, gary.

anyway, you can tun Windows 10 LTSC and continue to get updates.

"tune" or "turn" ?
How (for free) ?

you can apply for extended updates(free for one year, if you allow Windows to run a backup through a M$ account) for $30.

Well,- $30.- 1st year,- $60.- the 2nd and $120.- the 3rd year.
That´s what I´ve read.
3 years pass by quickly.

I don´t want to pay when I can get a Win11 Pro (licence) on a bootable USB for EUR 20,-
https://www.softwarebilliger.de/betrieb ... usb/?c=601

OTOH,- officially, that won´t install on 3 of my machines because of MS requirements.

Is there a way (hack) reliably and permanently disable search for updates in Win 10 since it has received it´s final updates now ?



Bud

[Bud Weiser]

Correct, you can extend the support for another year by connecting the computer to a MS account and thus your OneDrive account and enable cloud backup. They are hoping to get subscribers this way, move your documents and downloads etc before this to stay well under the 5GB limit and it should be free. Also note the $30 WIn10 ESU equires inputting another key.

No MS account here, I prefer local.
And I didn´t disable/uninstall OnDrive and tweaked Windows w/ Win10privacy to change that now.
In fact, my target is scewing this greedy bastards up their a## as long as I can !

Bud

[valis]

I would just do it long enough to generate a key and then turn it off. Prep the machine by moving all important information out because I’m sure that they want to date online people‘s information as much as they want the OneDrive subscriptions.

I don’t use local accounts on any of my Windows 11 machines anymore, but I also have Lennox and Mac machine machines so Microsoft does not own me. Just my scope and 3-D workstation boxes.

[fidox]

I have Windows 11 installed on my 6nd generation computer, more or less for internet (emails, youtube ....), but also Scope installed.
My main machine will stay Windows 10, I have extended updates for 1 year for free. Otherwise it works most solid for music production.

Just came across to this video today :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C44iCr6czAo

[garyb]

windows 10 LTSC will run for many, many more years.
it is a business license. look to youtube for instructions. you will need a new key, which is about $10.

bud-
not "tun", but "run", sorry....

[fidox]

windows 10 LTSC will run for many, many more years.

Thanks, yea, I had LTSC version already installed, that was quite long ago, but as I remember, probably format C: re-installing windows, and then back to normal 10 version.

Will check , thanks.

Matej

[valis]

If you do that, make sure you check the key and ensure it's an LTSC key. Ie, if you image the existing Win10 install, do a fresh LTSC or etc to get extended support, and then put the original image back, you need to update the key.

Oh, and logging in ANYWHERE to Microsoft on Win10/11 will have the keys on the machine checked against the MS database of keys under your account. I've had keys *move* between machines when reinstalling, regardless of what key I actually entered. So another reason to always check your product key when done (as well as SKU etc).

[fidox]

Thanks Valis !

Well, at least one year now i'm covered for updates, also , if re-installing everything takes on my computer 2-3 days, to put everything back as it was. Tons of stuff

[garyb]

you can update in place(no reinstall, just an update)...check the internet.
be sure to back everything up.

[fidox]

you can update in place(no reinstall, just an update)...check the internet.
be sure to back everything up.

Yes, you are right, as I remember, was something like this you mentioned.
Will check.

Thanks

[Bud Weiser]

windows 10 LTSC will run for many, many more years.
it is a business license. look to youtube for instructions. you will need a new key, which is about $10.

bud-
not "tun", but "run", sorry....

o.k., I will ...

below you said:
"you can update in place(no reinstall, just an update)...check the internet.
be sure to back everything up."

Is this for Win10 LTSC over a currently running Win10 Pro x64?
What´s up if that currently running Win 10 is tweaked w/ Win10Privacy already?

And, when Win10 LTSC is running "for many years" and as it is,- WHAT happenst to all the "movin on" software products we use in addition to SCOPE v7 a.t.m.?

All these products will be updated and upgraded for that damn Win 11 and all it´s "security" spy crap.
Steinberg, NI, Presonus, Reason Studios, Bitwig and even Cockos (Reaper) as also all the plugin manufacturers will be forced to do so, just only because of the myriad of users out there not tinkering w/ their machines and using ´em as they are once these leaved the shop.

I now have the impression this is the end of using this technology on PC when you don´t want to give MIcrosoft permission to own your machine and all the data, once being stored in the cloud.
OTOH, I might lose all the expensive native software I bought over decades and updated/upgraded in a from now slow moving process.
IMO,- it´s a f##kin´ trap already.

And all the workarounds to avoid Win 11 are so (too) much work,- at least for me and in my age.

I´m able to install Linux on my office machine,- but I´m unable to do so w/ the DAW machines.

Now I really hope SCOPE will run on Win XP and Win 7 computers forever (until we might get a Linux version) !

And,- I now urgently NEED a (registry ?)-hack to disable search for updates PERMANENTLY in Win10 Pro x64.
Anyone ???
All help appreciated !

And,- I´ll now uninstall every single bloatware app from Win10 using Win10 Privacy on my laptops.
What about Windows Defender ?
Is that possible or does 3rd party antivirus need it to be installed ?



Bud

[garyb]

defender updates will continue regardless.

why won't v7 continue to run in XP and Wind7?

the update search isn't really a problem, is it?

if software works, why do you constanly need a new version? at some point, you must have a system that does what it needs to do. anything after that is gravy. this whole lead by the nose computer plan sucks. computers suck, they're just a tool. how many hammers does a carpenter need to buy, once he has a good one? these problems are computer problems, not engineer or musician or music problems. it's fine to simply be a geek, but who needs expensive music gear for that? just play your games.

[Bud Weiser]

defender updates will continue regardless.

When I go to "system" > updates ... I read my Win version is no longer supported and I ´won´t recieve no security updates anymore.
To me, that means NO updates at all, also not for Windows Defender (which I don´t use anyway).

So, what for do I need Windows Defender and why is it risky to uninstall,- IF that can be done at all,- does it ?

why won't v7 continue to run in XP and Wind7?

I meant,- any upcoming updated or upgraded version of SCOPE.

the update search isn't really a problem, is it?

I dunno what Microsoft´s plan is for users not paying for extended support and use Win 10 as it is nonetheless.
Maybe they find a way to make it stop working when detecting I´m going into the web occasionaly, p.ex. to launch NI Native Access or similar.
When the update service has still a chance to call home,- they´ll recognize I´m online.
I guess, "update search" is the way for MS to attack my machine/system,- No ?

if software works, why do you constanly need a new version? at some point, you must have a system that does what it needs to do. anything after that is gravy. this whole lead by the nose computer plan sucks. computers suck, they're just a tool. how many hammers does a carpenter need to buy, once he has a good one? these problems are computer problems, not engineer or musician or music problems. it's fine to simply be a geek, but who needs expensive music gear for that? just play your games.

Yes, I know,- but:

When I buy a new plugin (bundle),- I have to activate it online.
I don´t only mix,- I´m a keyboardplayer in 1st order and I´m buying softsynths as also sample library stuff on occasion.
Some updated stuff is really better than it´s buggy and/or lower quality forerunner.
And a simple hammer is also not a good comparison to a complex algorithm ´cause playing and/or creating music w/that is by far not the same than hammering.
We GO into the web w/ DAW machines and we´ll receive the currently available software product and not a for WinXP or 7 backwards compatible one per sé.

So,- my target is, using the Win10 I currently run and prevent 100% from calling home while having the option entering the web for online activations and these updates I really want.

Question:
Is that doable ???



Bud