Need advice: how to get more powerfull sound from Akai drum kit programs (dry)
compressor,Eq ,limiter,reverb...
In wich order?What general,basic parameters for every device?
Wich device is best for this?
I want natural,rich sound with big range of dynamic.
Sanx for any comments
Processing with drum samples
http://www.planetz.com/forums/viewtopic ... 35&forum=3
this might be very interesting, for various reasons.
i downloaded it, but have never used it, shame on me.
this might be very interesting, for various reasons.
i downloaded it, but have never used it, shame on me.
andy
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Studio Buddy is a nice little program. I should use it more often myself 
As far as processing drum samples, I've been using audio drum samples from Ilio, Big Fish Audio, Sampleheads, etc. for years now. All these discs come with both dry and wet versions and I typically use the wet versions "as is" without any further processing. I don't know which samples you're using but usually these things come pre-processed to some degree.
Kick - if needed, add a bit of compression. But you shouldn't need much. Also check to see what's happening around 4kHz. Do you hear the beater click? If not, boost 4Khz. Does it have enough punch? If not, boost lower freq's. Add reverb only for passages that need it, otherwise leave dry.
Snare - Add reverb to taste. Check for enough bottom side (rattle). Boost rattle with eq/level to taste. Here, reverb is the key. Listen to snare in solo mode with verb to check tail.
Toms - eq and gating are your two best friends here. And panning! I always pan the U.S. way from right to left. But since they're samples, gating probably isn't an issue.
Cymbals - I usually don't do much to these except panning and level check. I actually hate sampled cymbals. I haven't heard any I thought were anywhere near as good as the real stuff.
I've never actually tried this myself but many "pro's" take their sample tracks and run them through an outboard compressor/preamp to phatten things up. Some even run things through a POD just to make sure it's not too precious
Myself - I'm torn between the L.A. drum sounds and the British drum sounds. I like them both. I like L.A. high fidelity and I also like the British warm early 70's drum sounds. I hate whimpy drum tracks and usually mix them in your face. They say if you want a really big drum track to record the guitars really small and vice versa. Well, that's all I have to say on the subject. Experiment and have fun in the process!
As far as processing drum samples, I've been using audio drum samples from Ilio, Big Fish Audio, Sampleheads, etc. for years now. All these discs come with both dry and wet versions and I typically use the wet versions "as is" without any further processing. I don't know which samples you're using but usually these things come pre-processed to some degree.
Kick - if needed, add a bit of compression. But you shouldn't need much. Also check to see what's happening around 4kHz. Do you hear the beater click? If not, boost 4Khz. Does it have enough punch? If not, boost lower freq's. Add reverb only for passages that need it, otherwise leave dry.
Snare - Add reverb to taste. Check for enough bottom side (rattle). Boost rattle with eq/level to taste. Here, reverb is the key. Listen to snare in solo mode with verb to check tail.
Toms - eq and gating are your two best friends here. And panning! I always pan the U.S. way from right to left. But since they're samples, gating probably isn't an issue.
Cymbals - I usually don't do much to these except panning and level check. I actually hate sampled cymbals. I haven't heard any I thought were anywhere near as good as the real stuff.
I've never actually tried this myself but many "pro's" take their sample tracks and run them through an outboard compressor/preamp to phatten things up. Some even run things through a POD just to make sure it's not too precious
Myself - I'm torn between the L.A. drum sounds and the British drum sounds. I like them both. I like L.A. high fidelity and I also like the British warm early 70's drum sounds. I hate whimpy drum tracks and usually mix them in your face. They say if you want a really big drum track to record the guitars really small and vice versa. Well, that's all I have to say on the subject. Experiment and have fun in the process!
The SPL Transient Designer from the CW shop is a bit expensive, (and you only get a sixty minute demo), but I've never found a better tool for getting "more" out of drums. I use it all the time, both for attack boost and sustain reduction - it can dramatically or subtly alter the sound - an amazing device.
/dave
/dave
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I put up a drum dirtifier to use on 2 mix drum loops. Or use it on individual channels with different settings. Multicomping individual channels is always a good thing. (grin)
It's definitely geared towards breakbeats/heavily processed sounds so it might not be what you're after. But it's a cool toy to have in your pocket anyway.
http://www.planetz.com/forums/viewtopic ... forum=15&0
Anyone want to add some presets to this?
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It's definitely geared towards breakbeats/heavily processed sounds so it might not be what you're after. But it's a cool toy to have in your pocket anyway.
http://www.planetz.com/forums/viewtopic ... forum=15&0
Anyone want to add some presets to this?
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Sorry,but all devices as SPL Transient Designer and other very approximate and hard for sound.I become to think-nothing may change good hardware as hardware reverb,compressor e.t.c...
Very dissapointed by Pulsar devices.Only synth still interesting,becouse it's from "first hand" sound.Nothing sounds good from analog search-not impressor(dirty sound and not at good testy)
Orbitone Faza ,Flanga,Sfera -work only for Pulsar inside( i mean not from guitar or some other external input).
All is blef.Even DX plug-in's sometimes give more!
And i understud that all this only game.
If you don't agree listen AKAI loop's they all FAT and incredibly dynamic and this is the answer-BIG EXPENSIVE INSTITUTE!
Very dissapointed by Pulsar devices.Only synth still interesting,becouse it's from "first hand" sound.Nothing sounds good from analog search-not impressor(dirty sound and not at good testy)
Orbitone Faza ,Flanga,Sfera -work only for Pulsar inside( i mean not from guitar or some other external input).
All is blef.Even DX plug-in's sometimes give more!
And i understud that all this only game.
If you don't agree listen AKAI loop's they all FAT and incredibly dynamic and this is the answer-BIG EXPENSIVE INSTITUTE!
and those samples are recorded in the very best of rooms with first class musicians and the best mics, pres and also instruments.the main thing tho is,the first class engineers.the pulsar plugs sound great!hardware is no better.(i have 10 feet of rack full of hardware)every compressor is a little different. there is no perfect one,only one perfect for this or that.