Upgrading to v5 - is it worth it?

[Kymeia]

I had a problem with my system and had to rebuild it so now I'm trying to decide if I should take the plunge and upgrade to v5 or stay on 4.5. Thing is I already have both big packs, almost all Zarg synths, several Wolf and Celmo effects/synths, Flexor and the Timeworks reverbs so would v5 add anything I don't have already?

Also does it have any decent recording facilities yet? I really would love not to have to load up an ASIO or DX based host just to record something but VDAT was so limited - not even stereo let alone multi tracks - plus I read it was broken in 5 (tbh it never worked that well in 4.5).

Would all my old projects still work?

[astroman]

with the devices you currently have in your toolbox I'd stay away from it.
There are some compatibility issues with existing projects, hard to predict, sometimes tricky to solve...
A recording device isn't supplied either - I don't see any gain at this stage of the developement.
(I'm in a similiar situation, except I don't mind record natively in Saw Studio or even Wavosaur for quick'n dirty)

cheers, Tom

[garyb]

well VDAT does work, but that's just a recorder. i haven't had problems with old projects really. i'd say that if you aren't going to use win7/vista, then v4 is still just fine. it's only a matter of time before it'll be worth upgrading if only v5 does seem to work better, barring a few minor bugs...

[dehuszar]

I found that I couldn't successfully import my older projects, but the ones I've started to rebuild are a lot more stable.

I used to get crashes when trying to load midi controller assignment presets I laboriously made. All that went away. Don't know if was Scope 3.5, WinXP or what, but Scope v5 on Win7 is solid as a rock for my setup.

Better importing of old projects would make my life complete.

Anyone else experience import problems? Is that a known issue?

[dawman]

I had similar problems too w/ projects but the fact that MIDI CC's were recalled for everything flawlessly was what I wanted most.
What's the use of a realtime app that has flawed MIDI Controller recall.
There are still problems like certain Modules in Mod IV and odds and ends, but all in all they have done a great job.
I am feverish for the next upgrade....

[siriusbliss]

You can always run V5 and revert back to 4.x if necessary.

I really didn't have problems with older projects going to V5, but I don't use a lot of MIDI controllers.

Plus, getting V5 now will get you in-line for 5.1, which SHOULD have some holes plugged.

In the meantime, V5 is running flawlessly here. Rock solid.

Greg

[dehuszar]

The problems I have with older projects is that it will go through this cycle of opening a plugin and then going to the card registration process, it will ask me for my keyfile, I point it in the right direction, it tells me everything was a success, and then I get a blank workspace with no devices loaded. This has happened on a few projects.

Super annoying, but not the end of the world. Being able to map out automation effects to my behrenger pedal system with my guitar using SFP as a multi-FX rack and now being able to actually set up a real live midi mixer/controller.... finally going to get some real work done.

Not having to re-setup those old projects would be nice though...

[siriusbliss]

The problems I have with older projects is that it will go through this cycle of opening a plugin and then going to the card registration process, it will ask me for my keyfile, I point it in the right direction, it tells me everything was a success, and then I get a blank workspace with no devices loaded. This has happened on a few projects.

Super annoying, but not the end of the world. Being able to map out automation effects to my behrenger pedal system with my guitar using SFP as a multi-FX rack and now being able to actually set up a real live midi mixer/controller.... finally going to get some real work done.

Not having to re-setup those old projects would be nice though...

You should try seting up a totally fresh startup project using the newly keyed plugins (if you can drag them into the workspace, and let Scope load that when you bootup.
THEN try opening up your older projects.

Also, are you sure the workspace window is not overlapping the routing window?

Greg

[garyb]

actually, it sounds like you have the 4.5 folder on your computer still and you haven't renamed it. the projects are trying to load devices from the 4.5 folder, i'll bet...

[dehuszar]

couldn't have been more from scratch. Fresh OS, fresh scope 5 install (no upgrade), etc. The only thing that couldve been a carryover was an attempt to get my older warp verbs to load so I could get my settings.

[Mr Arkadin]

The only thing that couldve been a carryover was an attempt to get my older warp verbs to load so I could get my settings.

Couldn't you just copy the presets and rename them to the current SC names? Haven't tried it but worth a try. Or just import them from the right-hand presets window.

[dehuszar]

I tried pointing the device browser to the new version of the plugin which ships with v5, but that didn't seem to work, hence installing the older versions of the plugin. Haven't had time to send a formal support request to sonic-core, but if no one else is having this problem, then I should probably do that.

[garyb]

did you copy v4 dsp files into your folders? that will also make a mess...

[dehuszar]

not in any way I can recall, unless those Warp verbs pull older libraries. Any logs I can check to verify?

[garyb]

no, but if you did anything but move the device, you could have problems. the old dsp and vxd files shouldn't be used unless the device specifically asks for them. there are new versions of most of those files in v5 already. in fact, i'd try to redownload the devices from the S/C ftp server before using older oxe files or similar...

[dehuszar]

Just might do that. Thanks!

[garyb]

sure, but that will only help if there aren't any of the old dsp and other system files in the new v5 folders...

[dehuszar]

I can go back and check which files the Warp verbs ask me to drop and remove them. --once I've checked out the SonicCore FTP server of course.

[garyb]

yeah, all his verbs will definitely work in v5. all of my paid plugins and 99% of the freebies i use worked in v5. yours should work too.