B2003 Suggestions

[dawman]

I have tried Limiting and Expanding to no avail.
These tricks might work with tracks of music, but as inserts on an instrument I am not having any luck.
I am looking for a device that can keep the levels relatviely the same with a margin of -2/+2 if possible.

Here's why........
I have the exact sounds I want on the lower and upper manuals of the B2003.
The Lower rarely gets drawbar movements, but the upper manual gets the 4th through the 8th drawbar as my swell, but the volume is overwhelming.
The real B3 was really the same volume when adding the drawbars, they would act more like an EQ adding more bands.

I have heard of hybrid plugs called Impressor, Compander,etc.
Would these plugs help out with this?
I have been playing more B3 lately and would love to solve this issue w/o using an expression pedal.

Anks In Advance.

[Neutron]

something like a "balancer" which takes 2 inputs and changes the level so they always match
but probably a limiter on both manuals ought to work

[dawman]

Thanks for quick peek.
I got 2 hours before I leave and am willing to try anything.
But there is no no way to use seperate Limiters.
The upper and lower manuals are combined in the same instrument, but do have seperate MIDI channels.
I have tried Limiting and Expanding but there seems to be no way to level everything out equally.

[capacitor]

Could you try it like this? (Sorry for rusty Paint skills)

One B2003 for the lower rank, with all drawbars at minimum for the upper rank. Vice-versa for the other, upper B2003, also with no vibrato/rotary/etc, just a clean upper-rank only sound. The upper goes into a compressor, then into the Ext input of the lower rank.

Edit: I'm making assumptions about how you use the B2003 & what the Ext input actually accomplishes

[Neutron]

run 2 instances (because you can!) one for each manual and then balance them with limiters

[dawman]

Cool idea Brotha' Men.....
I am check this out when I wake up. It just might work.
If it sounds good ITB, it'll definatelly sound good using the Rotary cabinet.

[Mr Arkadin]

i would also shoot an email off to Ralf to see if long-term this is something they can look at. Using in a somewhat less live environment than yourself i've never noticed, but it should really respond live as the real deal did.

[Jah Servant]

I would like the option of separate outputs on the B2003, it'd be great, a stereo plus an output for each manual, this would make things so much easier (or course if I had Xite I'd just run two). Balancing the levels is a problem for sure. I know it behaves like the original but having it in a virtual world means they could offer alternatives while still offering original performance too. Even just having a volume for each manual and having them still come out the same output would be good. Having separate outputs may involve adding 2 more vibrato and cabinet emu's to keep the sound separate I guess because once they combine you can't separate them again. My only workaround as I don't play it live, is to engage velocity and adjust the velocity in my midi tracks to get the levels more balanced, it works good for recording purposes.

[dawman]

Seprerate I/O's would be awesome.
It already has seperate MIDI channels so the audio options would be extra cookies for the kiddies.
I can get a fine emulation already, but becuase I use an external Rotary Cabinet I usually disable to Drive and Leslie features.
In the virtual world I am sure there's a nice diagram showing the routing pre/post selections, but in the real world the tonewheel sounds go through the Tube Pre Amp, then reverb, then the actual servo motor mechanics as in the dual driver horn, and down angled Woofer into the spinning wooden baffle. This gives the reverb a unique character, and somehow causes the natural limiting I am speaking of.
I have just plugged everything in and tried Brotha' Man Capacitors idea, and it was excellent idea but it kills the stereo image. I use the Ext. in for my Rhodes and even then with a mono in only option, the Rhodes becomes confined somewhat. But because I am also using a stereo out of the Rhodes through MoJo and having those signals summed with the Rhodes/external in B2003 signals, it sounds pretty fine,and beautifully vintage.
I did find a fix that works pretty well.
On Mehdi's CC devices, I can use the offest knob to limit the throw of the drawbars so they never achieve their maximum reach. Having this, and then using Optimaster for setting compression and Limiting, along with a slight EQ bump, it sounds pretty good.
I'll try and post a recording soon.
I can actuially send the Rotary Cabinet mics back into SFP via the A16U or XLR Inputs.

Thanks Brotha' Men 4 The Ideas.

[dawman]

I found the perfect tool for the B2003.
The Impressor from Orbitone.
I know it's old but it is perfect for simultaneous expanding and compressing/limiting.
What I am finding out that in the XITE-1 I can add several plugs w/o any coloring or phasing issues. I am sure it depends on the plugs too, but in my 4.5 cards I noticed much more signal degradation when stacking effects in inserts especially. I avoided it by attaching them in a serial fashion but even then, I still noticed some degradation, but the inserts were always a no go. I love transparency.

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[netguyjoel]

Expander AND Comp Limiter in one dev....sorry, JV ..I don't have one at this time...BUT, being a drummer, comp limiters, are paramount in any drum mix...and to include an expander in the same device...NICE!

[dawman]

It reminds me of the Aphex 320A of yore.
It seemed to bring up the lowest signals by 6-12db, and compress the top end too.
Vector syntesis and Wavetable synthesis benfit from these plugs too.
The 320A was great for live groups in the Dual mono mode.
One side for ensemble w/ vocals, and the other side for solos and music only.