altiverb vs scope reverbs

[heizen33]

hello i am looking for good reverbs to use and didnt really like masterverb pro, didnt sound very transparent,clear or realistic to me. i found altiverb to sound very good and wondering if there are scope reverbs that are as good or even beeter?

[astroman]

LMAO Masterverb Pro doesn't sound what ????
I also have STW P100, A100, PT2016 and the native Arts Acoustic
MV-Pro may not fit all and every application (a matter of taste), but it's an excellent reverb

cheers, Tom
(sorry if I just fed a troll)

[heizen33]

another question, is there differnece in quality between sonictimeworks directx plugins and scope plugins?cheers

[Shroomz~>]

Welcome heizen33.

[Warp69]

another question, is there differnece in quality between sonictimeworks directx plugins and scope plugins?cheers

It depends - the x100 series is not available as DirectX. The 4080L plugin is available for both Scope & DirectX and should be based on the same algorithm.

[Warp69]

hello i am looking for good reverbs to use and didnt really like masterverb pro, didnt sound very transparent,clear or realistic to me. i found altiverb to sound very good and wondering if there are scope reverbs that are as good or even beeter?

I prefer high-end algorithmic reverbs and don't use convolution reverbs that much - well I don't use them at all. But I somehow agree - the MV-Pro is not a high-end algorithm, but I believe you are able to download demo versions of most Scope reverbs - from Sonic Timeworks, DAS etc.

[Fluxpod]

Das 224 and das d verb.I like them for electronic music.No fan of convolution aswell.I want that metallic SCHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH . I also use some reaktor based verbs.Worth a try.

[valis]

another question, is there differnece in quality between sonictimeworks directx plugins and scope plugins?cheers

I would guess that the Sonic Timeworks Scope plugins would have an edge over the directX stuff. I'm not sure if they've updated their directx plugins and the number of hosts supporting that format is dwindling. As for the Scope plugins, the Sonic Timeworks "Pro" reverb is probably refined over the MVP Pro (I don't own the STW Pro verb), but isn't going to satisfy you if you're looking for the cold sterility of impulse reverbs. The Plate reverbs (P-100, A-100, I-100) are all reported to be quite excellent (and dsp hungry), but they mimic a very specific reverb sound and again aren't convolution based or even equivalent.

DAS stuff seems to be quite nice from the responses on the forums here too. Their "pro" reverb is going to be a similar implementation to Masterverb (like the STW pro above). Not saying it sounds the same, just that it looks like a delay-line based approach again (which is standard for that sort of reverb). Might have an edge over the STW stuff even, but I haven't compared them myself. The DAS plate reverbs are nice looking as well, but the attention to detail might be in favor of the P/A-100's, again you don't sound like you're after plate reverbs though.

Also as a tip, try the other Scope reverbs. The non-Pro masterverb is (imo) quite good for normal mixing reverb uses & individual treatments for ambiance. Removing the room 'Source Image' function seems to give less of a 'grainy' trail. It's not going to replace altiverb (since it's not at all the same thing) but imo it's a good 'stock' reverb in the delay-line realm of things. Also there's an even simpler version that should be stock with all cards that just provides the early reflection delay taps which does an excellent job at thickening up pads and synthetic sounds if mixed in tastefully.

Again perhaps they're not 'top class' reverbs but they exist in your toolkit and are there to use, and are suitable for use etc.

[heizen33]

thanks for responses , i tried the p-100 demo u suggested and wowow what a reverb! beutifull sound and quality i was looking for .i also going to check out those d-verb and 224 demos as i make electronic music as well fluxpod

[valis]

Incidentally I'm with Jimmy on what top class reverbs are, it isn't that I don't think the Scope reverbs are good. For me it's about where I'm using Scope and where I am in the creation process. For sound design in electronic music, if I'm working in Scope it may or may not make sense to treat something with reverb then as it's put down on disk/recorded.

Or if I'm mixing and have something individual I want to treat, using a software reverb on that part alone that's already recorded (or originates in the DAW app) is probably easier than bussing a single element out just to thicken it a bit. Then again having a bit of Scope's slightly warm verb might be a nice contrast to something that already sounds software processed (if there is such a thing).

Also I pretty much *always* have at least 1 masterverb and a delay running which gets both sends off of my analog board but also a send from my DAW (via aes since Scope runs in a 2nd pc here) with a room or small hall preset loaded. A micromixer or two before to sum the sends coming in and an Peq4 after to clear up the mix a bit.

[astroman]

here's 4 reverb versions of a short guitar loop, absolutely clean
same settings with a drumloop, but the sequence of reverbs is different
which one is Masterverb Pro, which one stands out (or whatever comes to mind) ?
For obvious reasons a (really) close match in setup is not possible, so I only tried to tweak them to a similiar character.
The candidates are named above, but not all are present.

cheers, Tom

ps: didn't have a good vocal at hand so I picked a Marvin G Youtube a-capella
btw the FX signal is 50% wet, with one exception but I didn't find that worth correcting.
This is just a rough overview, not a serious test or even shootout.

[Neutron]

here's 4 reverb versions of a short guitar loop, absolutely clean
same settings with a drumloop, but the sequence of reverbs is different
which one is Masterverb Pro, which one stands out (or whatever comes to mind) ?
For obvious reasons a (really) close match in setup is not possible, so I only tried to tweak them to a similiar character.
The candidates are named above, but not all are present.

cheers, Tom

are they in the same order? because in both cases i like the third one the best, although i couldn't identify it.
the first one on the drums sounded quite horrible for a reverb, but a cool effect

oh you added a vocal one. in that one i like the last one best.

[astroman]

yeah, I expected that... it's the one that got significatly more dry signal, as the instruments were ringing horribly.
Edit: replaced the vocalverb file by a better source ... and corrected the setting

The sequence of reverbs is different, but the settings are identical
Of course that's absurd
I completely agree with your bottomline - it depends on the signal which reverb is the best, but we all know that anyway
to be honest, MV Pro was the last reverb I got for Scope, as I already had the Paul Tanti and Warp stuff.
But I was quite surprised about it's quality compared to the standard Masterverb.
Well, 'usefulness' would hit it more precisely...

cheers, Tom

[dawman]

This is just a rough overview, not a serious test or even shootout.

[Neutron]

This is just a rough overview, not a serious test or even shootout.

if you HAVE to keep posting graphic replies can you at least change those pink and blue colors. they are 2 of the most horrible colors in the world

[dawman]

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[astroman]

as you mention it - my apologies to heizen33 for suspecting him a troll...
the short and kind of dissing 2nd post go me on the wrong track
but if he found the p100 all is good anyway

cheers, Tom

[heizen33]

i like these for each .so what is what astroman?
vocal-2nd
guitar-2nd and 4th
drums-3rd

[nightscope]

MV is the kit.

ns

[astroman]

i like these for each .so what is what astroman?

vocal-2nd is PT 2016
guitar-2nd and 4th is P100 and PT 2016
drums-3rd ArtsAcoustic native reverb

the bad news is that Paul Tanti quit the devices business a long time ago...
I bought the PT2016 in the days when there wasn't even a simple Masterverb.
No idea if it was modelled according to it's Eventide name relative, but I remember people suspected that Paul used custom DSP code, as it sounded so remarkably crisp and tight.
He denied that and confirmed it's all Scope stock modules
Warps P100 also has this beautiful 'slim' tone which simultaneously is wide open with minimal coloring of the source.

Of course this is a different class of processor than MV Pro (also reflected in the DSP load) and on a proper vocal recording the difference would have been even more obvious.
Both these reverbs retain a top end that MV would simply blurr.
Admittedly I underestimated the amount of blur, as I usually don't do vocals here.

But that capability of the PT and the P100 also requires a really good vocalist - MVPro might help out a thin voice in way similiar to a tiny bit of chorus.
And it's great as an fx-oriented reverb on guitar as modulations of the tail can be set up in a very convenient way.
The SonicCore stock devices are frequently underestimated due to their 'stock' nature, that's why my first response was somewhat harsh.

The ArtsAcoustic plugin is considered one of the best native reverbs (afaik), but as mentioned it had a higher amount of dry signal, which gave it an advantage in the drum setup.
I didn't want to re-tweak the reverbs, so the drums sound kind of sh*tty anyway...

To be honest I don't have any idea why you don't find the PT reverbs on at least 50% of the (long term) Scope systems, as there wasn't any allternative at all (at least for some time) and it was very affordable.
Same applies to the P100 which had a ridiculous price tag as Warp used to throw in a Chorus-Delay as a bonus after purchase.

cheers, Tom