SOS - Plugiator Gordon Reid Review

[sonicstrav]

I've just read the review....he like the plugiator but its buggy
Didn't seem impressed with Creamware gear in the past - couldn't do a review of Elektra as he said it didn't work on Mac.
Minimax and Prodyssey was not perfect...etc.....etc
Pro-12 was Prophet-y
Has anyone read this review ???

[at0m]

Hah! The SOS page!

Not a subscriber myself, so can't read all of it yet...

[Shroomz~>]

The intro seems unnecessarily biased & one-sided. The article was obviously written by a man that doesn't see the beauty of Scope because he hasn't experienced it & apparently hasn't even looked into it or thought about it in any great depth. He mentions all of the failings of Creamware from his own biased viewpoint (he couldn't get a 3dsp card to work on mac) & forgets to mention that the Scope community that was born from the Creamware Pulsar & Scope product line is still not only alive & kicking, but going strong. Maybe Gordon Reid is the wrong man to be reviewing anything related to Creamware.

Thanks for giving the world your useful thoughts & insights on all things Creamware related Gordon. It's one thing being biased (many of us here are just that), but you could at least have been fair.

[Shroomz~>]

I'd wager any money that Mr. Reid has never actually used Scope properly - or a 4 part multitimbral Noah EX for that matter.

[astroman]

all that Mac Pro Audio after OS 8.1 is just that: bla, bla, bla, bla...
but to call TripleDat and the original Osiris 'low end' stuff is plain stupid - maybe his memory betrays him how things were like >12 years ago

cheers, Tom

[dawman]

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[siriusbliss]

Doesn't know what he's doing.
Relegated to barely being able to decipher the plugiator.
Won't have a clue what hit him when Xite comes out.

Greg

[dawman]

Actually he use to be thorough and even was responsible for some old hardware purchases I made like the MC3000, and a Waldorf Q, which by the way was stolen in NYC after being bonded for 4 days.... . A guy named Stewart I believe was still employed there then.
It's tough when you make a living off of reviewing equipment and software, and are suppose to be nice to whoever pays for advertisements.
A fine line to walk no doubt, I just wish when they reviewed gear from paying advertisers they didn't get all excited.......it causes them to appear less receptive for anything not corporately attached.
On the other hand maybe Scope 5, Solaris or XITE-1 might wake his tired ass up....

[sonicstrav]

I respected his reviews on synths - but I'm not sure after reading this review
Err...Minimax is not perfect - then he mentions Minimoog V
I have the Moog Modular V and the filter is not great - not comparable to the Minimax

[Shroomz~>]

It's all apple's & pears, but I don't think Gordon ever actually 'got it' (so to speak). He sort of did a 'WOW, this would be nice on my mac' thing, ......but didn't get it working.

[Shroomz~>]

Hey, maybe it's a bad idea to piss off SOS reviewers.

[valis]

If he's entitled to display such animosity towards Scope, surely here in a forum where we actually know how to use the dang thing we're entitled to posting our polemic in response?

[siriusbliss]

Well I for one, intend on giving Xite a good run-through before writing my 'reviews' for a couple publications here

Greg

[Shroomz~>]

If he's entitled to display such animosity towards Scope, surely here in a forum where we actually know how to use the dang thing we're entitled to posting our polemic in response?

You can be sure that Gordon doesn't read our response though...................

[dawman]

Perhaps it's the sounds we enjoy that are in the Plugiator anyway.
It's a great little desktop synth probably, but it's lack of decent MIDI implementation negates it as a live synth, even though it does claim to be a great live tool.
Even if it only is good for recording, the fact that it's Frank Hunds' baby has nothing to do with SC.
I am sure Holger, Juergen & Ralf loved the review though.....
Now if Frank Hund were to release an ASB of the 2448 w/ endless and 3rd party effects, w/ pretty decent metering,...........that Dog would hunt.
He seems to be searching for a consumer electronics approach to synths which is a good idea really, but such little desktop boxes really need to work w/ ease of use, and at least have the ability to do program change messages after loading, but hey, what does one expect for a few hundred bucks.....

[valis]

You can be sure that Gordon doesn't read our response though...................

Can't say I've ever posted here expecting ANYONE to read my responses, aside from my fellow Pulsarians who have enough time to read my blather

[HUROLURA]

The former reviews from other Creamware gears in SOS were more impressive. Most of them were form Paul Nagle who reviewed the early pulsar card up to the last ASB (except from the Prophet-5 ASB which have been reviewed by ... Dave Stewart). About the ASB units Paul seem to have been really interested in the concept just giving some hints about the way to improve the device a little more (a few bug fixes we alll know about, external power supply complain ...) but he kind of really like the sound. He even asked to have a multitimbral mode which I would fine a great improvement "only" implying software update: this feature would have helped to broaden the range of possible users in my opinion.

About the Plugiator, my own feeling is that this one is still a good idea as an improved Klangbox (the multi plug-in capability is great), though the user interface is not that flexible. And it also miss the multitimbral mode (which was available in the NOAH Ex...).

My 2 cents

[garyb]

that was a hit piece. corporate politics sure are nasty.


Mark Wherry did several positive reviews of Scope in SOS. http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/Jun03/a ... escope.asp is the latest.
reading Mr. Reid, that is impossible....

[chriskorff]

[Warning: SOS employee here!]

Morning dudes,

Surely the fact that Mark Wherry and Paul Nagle were extremely positive in their Creamware reviews but Gordon was not, is an indication that the authors present their own opinions regardless of who does/doesn't advertise with us? I also thought he was being a bit harsh about Creamware's past (I personally love CW/SC products), but that's what Gordon wrote and that's what got printed. If we'd omitted that bit, now that would've been compromising editorial integrity, no?

And to be fair to Gordon, there's very little he doesn't know about synths (or audio in general, really - as you'd expect from someone who's worked at Cedar for as long as him. cf Gordon's Synth Secrets series!).

It's unfortunate that people without an eSub can't read the rest of the review also, because he actually goes on to say that he rather likes the unit (Creamware 'grudge' notwithstanding).

Cheers,

Chris

[Warp69]

I have read the review and Im not able to see anything wrong with it - remember that most of the plugins are more than 6 years old without any updates and they were not perfect back then, so it would have been very surprising if they were perfect now.