6 string

jdieks · Post by **jdieks** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 11:47 pm

hi,

i've been trying to do some bass guitar imitations lately, now most of the sample libraries that are around sound really liveless.

so that's why i'm looking into buying the 6 string plugin. i've got a questiong though:

is it possible to slap it also, or does it just play "normal" guitar notes?

since i read an announcement about 6 string by the original developers and they said something like "the technology of 6 string is far from exhausted in 6 string. e.g. : the strings can also be hit by a hammer"

so i guess creamware could have done a true piano like piano emulation back in 2002, but for some reason didn't. (really weird.. even with low cash, a really good piano emulation would be a seller for sure)

but to get back on the subject

: i figured that if the strings can be hit, maybe they can be slapt also...

anyone got any experience with this?

greets

bosone · Post by **bosone** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 12:29 am

i tried the 6string demo years ago.
i was astonished by the bass sound, also because i had a midi guitar with exaphonic pickup and i played 6 - 6strings synth on 6 different channles.
but i don't remember the possiblity to play the slapping bass...

astroman · Post by **astroman** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 2:47 am

well, I think you partly answered the question yourself - bringing in the idea of 'lifeless' in context with sample libs.
Slap bass is highly percussive, tons of dead notes and all those nuances are what makes the groove.
The sound engine will (most likely) have few problems with the slap 'n pop sounds itself, but with damping and articulation - same as humble me trying that style...

for that reason I'd rather use it not to fake human action, but with some individual settings, but that's just a matter of taste.

regarding the extension from 6-String to Piano...
the technology behind the plugin was not developed at Creamware - that's why you never found 6-String in any bundles or special offers.
it may be the world's best 'string emulation', but then it lacks the piano's own resonance body, string resonance and pedal action.
Any piano-like application would make DSP resources melt like snow in the sun ...
if I remember bcorrectly it was something like one DSP per string

cheers, Tom

dawman · Post by **dawman** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 4:27 am

I guess you haven't heard Scarbee's stuff, or Chris Hein, or Larry Seyer's Upright?

Libraries have come a long way since the 360 Studios MIDI Bass days.

If you want a real good slapper that can still cover the FP'ing in a live context check out Scarbee's Black Bass. His " Slap Bass " actually isn't the best one, but Black is way cool.

Six-String is cool though. It gives my sampled libraries a little life. I find that using static samples for the actual attacks and having a physically modelled layer for dynamics and velodity is sweet.

jdieks · Post by **jdieks** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 8:44 am

i've only really tested trilogy and scarabee's j-fingered and j-slapt..

i found the last two to have the "machine gun effect" really all the time and trilogy to be the better one, but still not quite as real as i want it to be...

maybe i should search i little bit further, since i know that what they're doing with the vienna stuff (with the performance tool and all) could easily be done with a bass guitar also...

so are there any libraries that have several samples playing the same not, so you can switch between samples then?

greets,

Jeroen

astroman · Post by **astroman** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 11:46 am

jdieks wrote:... what they're doing with the vienna stuff (with the performance tool and all) could easily be done with a bass guitar also...

and probably a little bit more... check out Lydia on Bass

the point is - she's grooving to a beatbox - could you get that feeling by a lib ?

cheers, Tom
(sorry for hi-jack)

jdieks · Post by **jdieks** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 3:58 pm

i bet that if you have a really good lib and take your time to perfectly fit each note in the bar (length and place) you can get REALLY close and fool 90% of the people...

probebly faster to hire a bassplayer... but this way (by using samples or a bass "emulator" )you can at least make it sound exactly the way you want it.

YiannisK · Post by **YiannisK** » Fri Feb 29, 2008 1:39 pm

Here is a very short sample of 6String
3 Instances
1 Bass
1 Strat for chords
1 Dis cheezy lead
and a loop

Something I whipped up to hear the 6String in action

i think 6Strings is amazing and used with a midi guitar you almost think it's the real thing.

YiannisK · Post by **YiannisK** » Fri Feb 29, 2008 2:39 pm

No I meen aguitar equiped with a i3 pin out compatible with roland Gr series or Axon series.

I have a Godin Multiac sa

http://www.godinguitars.com/godinmultnylonsap.htm

and use the Axon 100mkII
http://www.terratec.com/axon-en/modules ... 1&menu=101

dawman · Post by **dawman** » Fri Feb 29, 2008 2:56 pm

Sounds Nice Brotha' Man Johannis.

The Strums sound clean.

Helps to have the real thing there.

Glad you're back.

JV

Mr Arkadin · Post by **Mr Arkadin** » Fri Feb 29, 2008 2:58 pm

Hang on...

...a real guitar...

...with MIDI...

... to send MIDI data...

...to a guitar emulator...

...to try and get it to sound as much like a real guitar as possible.

Anyone else see the flaw here

?

YiannisK · Post by **YiannisK** » Fri Feb 29, 2008 6:04 pm

Ya it does sound funny but try getting all these sounds out of a nylon classical guitar only.
Don't think you will have much luck there .

Instead of a keyboard controller you can have a guitar controller and since I am alot better at playing the guitar it is alot easier to lay midi tracks down.

Also it's another toy.

jdieks · Post by **jdieks** » Sat Mar 01, 2008 1:05 am

Mr Arkadin wrote:Hang on...

...a real guitar...

...with MIDI...

... to send MIDI data...

...to a guitar emulator...

...to try and get it to sound as much like a real guitar as possible.

Anyone else see the flaw here ?

something like cd players with all kind of tricks to make them sound like you're playing from vinyl?

in some situations it could be usefull also.

but it sounds really good, 6 sting..

Scotty · Post by **Scotty** » Sat Mar 01, 2008 5:52 am

A very poweful use of midi guitar is to generate the midi data for scoring purposes when improvising and for adding texture and depth to chord progressions by reassigning the midi data to other sound sources. A good guitarist can play the part but to separate out the midi data especially from a well played improvisation is very compelling. I don't own the 6 string creamware model but I do have a huge Oasys PCI library of PM synths.

I strongly suggest anyone who has an Oasys PCI to pick up Harm Vissers bundle which now costs $169.00 and has over 200 pm synths the biggest pm collection anywhere which is more than enough reason to justigy maintaining an old OS 9 or Win 98 box .

Creamware is what Oasys PCI was trying to be but there remains a void with physical modelled synths on the Creamware platform. I always found it odd that Harm Visser didn't jump on the still viable creamware platform as he actively produces synths and patches for the Tassman vst plug-ins. I am sure there must be a story in there somewhere.

Mr Arkadin wrote:Hang on...

...a real guitar...

...with MIDI...

... to send MIDI data...

...to a guitar emulator...

...to try and get it to sound as much like a real guitar as possible.

Anyone else see the flaw here ?