Hello everyone,
I am a newbie in the Scope community, although I am not in other major DAWs. As I have been reading through lot of posts on this forum, and considering myself getting a Pulsar Card to see what it is like, I thought I would share some of my impressions.
I find the relationship terms between SonicCore and Use-Audio/inDSP more than unpleasant as a potential end user point of view. I feel like SonicCore products are great stuff, but seeing the way Creamware's former developers are walking now on their feet, I just don't like it. And it makes me feel concerned about future directions of both companies.
...to the point I really wonder wether it's a good choice or not to start up a Scope platform (given I don't really need it).
Furthermore, I am a Mac user so this is another issue to me. Ok I have a spare old 9600 that I can use to run OS 9.2 and I think that's the way I will go but I really wish a company that planned to take over Creamware's technology would have the ressources to be more dynamic on the market and deliver OSX drivers the soonest.
From what I understand, SonicCore is just about a 2 guys team, and only one involved in coding. So we can't expect much from one guy in terms of reactivity. So what warranty do we have for a future? What if anything happens to this one coding guy? Will we be stuck with the products? Do we have to wait for 2 more years until we may see OSX drivers (when OSX will be obsolete)?
I am just thinking out loud...
I don't know how the SonicCore stands compare to other audio cards like RME, or the Ensemble Apogee... and am very curious to figure it out.
I aleady have had a painful experience in the past with my Korg OASYS PCI boards which are to me some of the top notch synthesizers ever. What a disappointment to have 2 of these jewels which can only run on OS 9.2 or Windows Me. That's truly a shame to have such a treasure in your hands and have to give up on it.
I certainly fear the same would happen with SonicCore cards. Such a small team can't compete with bigger and more dynamic competitors.
However I do hope that I misunderstood some of the above information and could be reassured of SonicCore's commitment to the development of their product, including the Mac platform.
All the best.
Impressions from a newbie
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Mr Arkadin
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Re: Impressions from a newbie
Welcome SPOTS,
i also hope we see some Mac OSX action soon.
If i was 'stuck' with Scope as it is i would be happy for many years to come - i've had it seven or so years and have barely scratched the surface of its potential. OK slightly different in your case as you're Mac, but i ran OS9.2.2 for a good few years, only changing when the Mac drive died and i thought i'd try the PC route, which has been fine so far.SPOTS wrote:What if anything happens to this one coding guy? Will we be stuck with the products?
Well in sonic terms very favourable, in other terms you can't compare. An RME is an audio card - i think some have DSP and rudimentary mixers, but Scope is a studio on a card - mixers, synths, effects, modular solutions, third party solutions and freebies, all infinitely routable/patchable in any combination your brain can handle.SPOTS wrote:I don't know how the SonicCore stands compare to other audio cards like RME, or the Ensemble Apogee... and am very curious to figure it out.
i also hope we see some Mac OSX action soon.
Hi spots, actually you describe the situation as it was till soniccore took over.From what I understand, SonicCore is just about a 2 guys team, and only one involved in coding. So we can't expect much from one guy in terms of reactivity.
We can be quite happy that the new owners Jürgen Kindermann and Holger Drenkelfort are hardware and software developer from the old scope platform.
For the Solaris Project they quickly hired also Klaus Piehl who now seems to be part of the team also. And there is a close relationship to John Bowen also being a great device developer.
have a look on your own.
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Hi SPOTS and good to see new potential users coming here to ask questions.
There is a new Scope version 5 OS coming soon, and it promises some new exciting developments such as Win Vista Drivers which means that SonicCore are definately looking to the future, although I am not sure whether that will also cover drivers for Mac OSX. I do however feel confident that OSX drivers will certainly be on a high agenda for the team.
Personally I am using WinXP as the host platform, and until MS sort out various issues with Vista, I feel there is no reason for me to "upgrade"
The other possiblity is to run Scope on another system and link it to your Mac setup.
Sonically Scope is about as good as it gets for DSP synths & FX. I have recently aquired some vintage analog outboard, and while it is nice to have some old classic gear, for the most part Scope really does hold its own. I like to think that the analog hardware and Scope compliment each other very nicely indeed, and the Scope routing, etc makes it all work so easily together.
As was mentioned above, there are some amazing Third Party developers, such as John Bowen who has recently used his Solaris Scope synth as a stepping stone to go on and build the Solaris hardware synth. Usually it is the other way round, so I think this just speaks for itself as to how flexible Scope is and as to its sonic quality. Quite a few other excellent developers that release devices for free as well.
I hope this helps, and wish you all the best in your decisions
There is a new Scope version 5 OS coming soon, and it promises some new exciting developments such as Win Vista Drivers which means that SonicCore are definately looking to the future, although I am not sure whether that will also cover drivers for Mac OSX. I do however feel confident that OSX drivers will certainly be on a high agenda for the team.
Personally I am using WinXP as the host platform, and until MS sort out various issues with Vista, I feel there is no reason for me to "upgrade"
The other possiblity is to run Scope on another system and link it to your Mac setup.
Sonically Scope is about as good as it gets for DSP synths & FX. I have recently aquired some vintage analog outboard, and while it is nice to have some old classic gear, for the most part Scope really does hold its own. I like to think that the analog hardware and Scope compliment each other very nicely indeed, and the Scope routing, etc makes it all work so easily together.
As was mentioned above, there are some amazing Third Party developers, such as John Bowen who has recently used his Solaris Scope synth as a stepping stone to go on and build the Solaris hardware synth. Usually it is the other way round, so I think this just speaks for itself as to how flexible Scope is and as to its sonic quality. Quite a few other excellent developers that release devices for free as well.
I hope this helps, and wish you all the best in your decisions
on the one hand they have the solaris project going with John Bowen, which is a big one...
on the other hand its close to Musikmesse Frankfurt, and so I guess if they release any news it will be on that point.
Every other normal company does it that way.
lets wait. We already have an announcement for Scope 5
I think the solaris project is also great for SC. The ASB stuff was "just" emulations. The Solaris is something own. If you look back in the past Creamware first did stuff like TripleDAT and now they come to a league where they compete classic synth companies like Waldorf and Access and rival that market segment.
This will also gain attention to their other products. Future will tell.
on the other hand its close to Musikmesse Frankfurt, and so I guess if they release any news it will be on that point.
Every other normal company does it that way.
lets wait. We already have an announcement for Scope 5
I think the solaris project is also great for SC. The ASB stuff was "just" emulations. The Solaris is something own. If you look back in the past Creamware first did stuff like TripleDAT and now they come to a league where they compete classic synth companies like Waldorf and Access and rival that market segment.
This will also gain attention to their other products. Future will tell.
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Thanks to all for the info and the warm welcome 
As was saying Hifiboom, on one hand we are close to the Musik Messe which may behold some interesting news Scope wise...
...on the other hand the Winter Namm was just 3 weeks ago and is a much bigger event in regards with big announcements. So I guess we just don' know.
As was saying Hifiboom, on one hand we are close to the Musik Messe which may behold some interesting news Scope wise...
...on the other hand the Winter Namm was just 3 weeks ago and is a much bigger event in regards with big announcements. So I guess we just don' know.
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thanks for the welcome and the complimentokantah wrote:Hi SPOTS welcome !!!
you claimed to be newbee but you seems to know too much about our plateform,is that a new style ?
cheer
Actually I like to know what I am considering to buy so I did lurk around a bit on this forum before I posted, and checked Sonic Core website to try to get a clear idea of their product line.
I agree with Stardust. Business wise it would only make sense to invest so much resources for a new generation product's line vs legacy products.
And as a second thought (which should have been my first one
) although OSX runs on old 9500-9600 machines... to my knowledget it's impossible to run OSX 10.4, so I guess definitely not OSX 10.5!
The good thing (as sad as it is) is that I now have the answer to my question.
And as a second thought (which should have been my first one
) although OSX runs on old 9500-9600 machines... to my knowledget it's impossible to run OSX 10.4, so I guess definitely not OSX 10.5!The good thing (as sad as it is) is that I now have the answer to my question.