Gated Reverb in DSP ?

dawman · Post by **dawman** » Thu Oct 18, 2007 6:42 pm

I am splitting up my DAW's and have 3 choices for a reverb.

Hardware, DSP, or VST.

I am in need of a single algo used on horns, or like Phil Collins used on his Toms.

A good gate will decay and gate into silence, but this is for live work so no biggie is there's a little noise, i.e. cheap hardware model.

I am interested in all opinions. I am stuck in a hotel room in Texas and bored.

Good nesw is I'll be demoing a nice controller tomorrow before I go to the gig in the swamps.

2 birds w/ one stone.

I will however be playing my PCM81 for the last time as it goes to a new production.

VST will be O.K. also. I was unaware I could use this in my current host.

Thank You and Goodnight.

Post by **garyb** » Thu Oct 18, 2007 7:00 pm

just put a noisegate on any reverb and try it......RMX or P100 would be good choices, but masterverb could be good too, depends on which sound you prefer. the thing is, it's the tails of the reverb that really distinguishes the best from the rest, and the gate is going to cut off the tail, so a reverb you might not otherwise prefer, might sound nice gated.....

dawman · Post by **dawman** » Thu Oct 18, 2007 10:45 pm

Now there's somebody thinkin'.

I am DAW less till tomorrow.

Where's the noise gate at?

Effects obviously, I just don't remember seeing it.

pistoguitar · Post by **pistoguitar** » Thu Oct 18, 2007 11:33 pm

If you're talking 'bout the sfp effects, noise gate is in the dynamic subfolder. The sfp's one works really well with toms, I use it all the time, so it may be good for what you're looking for.

Post by **garyb** » Fri Oct 19, 2007 1:07 am

for a smoother attack and release, try an expander instead of a gate....

hifiboom · Post by **hifiboom** » Fri Oct 19, 2007 1:45 am

depends on what you re looking for, keep in mind that the gate behind a reverb is not always the same as a gate algo reverb from the hardware units, which mostly have a fixed short reverb time, whereas the gate behind the reverb could differ in length depending on input signal and if the original reverb time is about 10seconds or so, the reverberation of the previous dry signal will also be inside the reverb decay once the gate opens up again for the next dry.

And during a full mix which is always above treshold, the gate stays open and you have the full tail, which I think is unwanted with a gate.

i think jimmy is looking for the algo based gate reverb and not just reverb->gate seriell fx.

the gate has to be integrated into the reverb algo to work properly.

sonolive · Post by **sonolive** » Fri Oct 19, 2007 3:18 am

hi jimmy,

you can add dynamic process to the rmx ...

" in the air tonight " (toodoom toodoom toodoom toodoom toom toom ... ) gate effect guaranted ... 100 years !!!

just have a look at the pic below

cheers
olive

dawman · Post by **dawman** » Fri Oct 19, 2007 5:41 am

Ladies And Gentlemen,...............Olive.

There Ya' Go.

HFBoom was correct, as I was looking to replace my Alesis Q20, which I was actually mourning it's demise. The gated plate algo was perfect. But during pre productions w/ the dance band, and rehearsals w/ the Psychedelics, I had to generate some postive cash flow. The same old story w/ live performers, you either famine, or feast like there's no tomorrow. This is where the excessive spending during feasting times pay off,...unload all gear deemed unessential.

My rig should not be considered a " live rig ", where passable experiments are acceptable, but rather treated as if I were recording everytime I turn it on.

I will be setting up @ 3:00PM EST in the swamps, so thanks to you guys I will have plenty to do, and since I have the DAS RMX160, I should have it fixed by the time the sound check comes around.

I did find a great little mixer I forgot about to work with my dual MIDI Source Module set-up which gives me 2 separate controllers live, w/ 32 MIDI channels. I needed a small 2 AUX, 2 MONO IN, 4 Stereo IN configuration to use for Modular, Prowave, 24 bit WAVE Source, Pro One, and the SE-1x. This would be controlled by a KS88 w/ it's own 16 separate MIDI channels. The important thing is that it had an option on AUX 1 for a built in psuedo Ursa Major multi-tap reverb. I have never demo'd it, but it is perfect for my live rig, as the reverb can sound so dense, and works perfectly on the B2003.

The gated reverb will be used on the horn sections that are in the other mixer and second KS88. I am close to having a live project perfectly suited for Gigastudio 4 when it's released. I can't believe CW's old GSIF drivers are still applicable. Once again Scope anxiously awaits a new application, and needs no modification. Just the fastest Core 2 Duo, CL3 DDR2 RAM, and Motherboard.

Off To Demo A New Controller, Then To The Swamps,

Thanks For The Great Tips Guys,

Orevua, Alvetazein, Esta Leugo, See Ya' Later Alligator, After While Crocidile.

dawman · Post by **dawman** » Sun Oct 21, 2007 6:21 am

Brotha' Man Olive,

Ypu were right, this works very well. RMX160 has a rich charcter of sound, which has to be there first.

I just clipped a hall down to the shortest time, ant the transients shut down nicely, no rings, or artifacts linger on.

Thanks,

BTW very little DSP due to the low amount of parameters needed. Nice.

Once again SFP to the rescue/

dawman · Post by **dawman** » Tue Oct 23, 2007 8:08 pm

I just hooked up my singers Alesis Quadraverb II to my Northern Nevada DAWg and I must say, it sounded darn good.

I always remember the grainy old MIDIVerb, and MIDIFex I used 20 some years ago. The Q20 is a great sounding unit, and it's ADAT's make it a great weapon in Scope too, but one could have 8 of these Q2's in Scope for 800 USD or less, and they also have ADAT I/O's and other darn good sounding FX.

These would be great to use live. Imagine 8 hardware FX in Scope via ADAT's !!

For guys who just want to use Scope for a live FOH / Monitor mixer and have a B3, and a synth running also, this would be a formidable rig.

Once again I will use the DAS Mixer. I have convinced the group to let me use a DAW for a monitor / FOH mixer. Our " soundman " sucked so bad in SCarolina I found a way to make more money, provide better sound, and have my sequencer automate everything. He was operating hardware alongside of my QY700 and was missing so many cues. The sequencer does not deviate or lie. Once I convinced the members he was an unecessary expense, and quite fallable as well, that's all it took.

I will be buying about 3 more Q2's for 300 USD on ebay, and w/ the A16 as my front end this will work great.

I will finally get to use the DAS mixer myself. It served my production group well, and now shall serve me.

With DAS EQ's, which I find to be extremely accurate and of great quality, and this mixer, this band will be stepping up to the plate now with a high quality mix. DAS also has provided a great 2x6 module to go from stereo to surround. I will use my cabinets first, and if it sounds as good as I hope it does, I will have the first surround sound live group in Vegas. Who knows, maybe we can add some of our stuff and get lucky? All I know is that Scope and it's developers have enabled me to do the stuff of dreams, and pull it off live, for a few years now. Surround is something I never even thought of, but in Scope, it's a natural course of learning and events.

sonolive · Post by **sonolive** » Wed Oct 24, 2007 12:42 am

hi jimmy

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I will finally get to use the DAS mixer myself.

Very glad to read that it is "on the road again" ... KOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

best wishes for your future shows !
cheers
olive