GIGA STUDIO + SCOPE : gathering information

bill3107 · Post by **bill3107** » Wed Aug 08, 2007 1:26 am

Like an increasing number of musicians i am planning to get GS or GVI at least as they work very well within Soniccore/Scope environnement. We just need more realism and big samples can do that !

As we all know GS is working great as soon as your hardware/software is appropriate. I just propose that a new DISCUSSION THEME is created within PLANETZ. There are but few informations and experiences about this amazing tool on the Net . We could share experiences (sample libraries, stability, tips/tricks, in relation with scope or not) and planetz could attract many other musicians. The more we are, the best information we will share...

What do you think about that ? We could name this discussion GIGA STUDIO + SCOPE or something like that. Just my 2 samples

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Jonathan

bill3107 · Post by **bill3107** » Wed Aug 08, 2007 2:06 am

i know people that have or had problems because of motherboard, RAM, HArddrive ... It was said that GS needed a dedicated computer for this very reason ...

astroman · Post by **astroman** » Wed Aug 08, 2007 3:21 am

well, the dedicated-machine-rule-of-thumb probably survived from the days a top DAW had 512MB of Ram and a 500 MHZ Pentium 3

for simplicity I'd still stick with it at current hardware prices - keeps thing neat and ordered.
I'd just love to have plain old Gigasampler ....

cheers, Tom
like Bishop (the android from Alien One) ... I like the purity of the concept...

FrancisHarmany · Post by **FrancisHarmany** » Wed Aug 08, 2007 4:57 am

How Expensive are all those GS libraries ?

bill3107 · Post by **bill3107** » Wed Aug 08, 2007 5:02 am

have a look at the new discussion theme ....

just kidding

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It depends. It can interesting to buy as a bundle (GS+special library). I am really intersted in GS for piano (i am not fond of steinberg and NI solutions...) and orchestral (classical instruments like strings, horns ....). I know someone that has removed his intel DP965Lt because of GS (could not use enough RAM it seems). Thanks to him i will have answers for my questions before i buy this software and a host of libraries but i feel myself concerned by all those who will go for GS without a clue ... i was amazed that there are really few informations on the net. That's why i suggest a new discussion but of course if i am the only one intersted in ... we can drop the idea !

Jo

FrancisHarmany · Post by **FrancisHarmany** » Wed Aug 08, 2007 5:07 am

I would be abusing percussion instruments for my techno music!!

any tips for good libraries ?

Post by **garyb** » Wed Aug 08, 2007 10:27 am

scope4live uses giga quite successfully with both an intel d965lt and d865perl. 2gb of memory is plenty with xp.

dawman · Post by **dawman** » Wed Aug 08, 2007 1:55 pm

Please..........................stay seated.

dawman · Post by **dawman** » Wed Aug 08, 2007 2:16 pm

Here's a quick and easy way.

865 or 965 Intel mobo.

Northwood P4's @ 3.2 GHz is optimal for it shows little difference between that and " faster " 3.4EE that I got suckered into getting.

Core Duo E6700 is optimal IMHO as opposed to getting the Qauds as there is a difference but not by much.

2GB's is optimal as even with my memory trick for max performance, GS3 will at most use 1.35GB's of RAM. But to install less than 2GB's will yeild lower results w/ GS3. GVI however has a new compatability w/ SSE 3 and 4 instruction sets, and loads way more content, and uses more memory also.

Big HDD's are O.K., but the best HDD to use is the 16MB cache, 10k, 150GB Raptor. It has no equal, and is a fierce predator for audio streaming IMHO.

Most of you guys can probably just buy the software and it will work fine. As long as your Scope rig is stable.

Make sure to buy GS3 Orchestra, so you can upgrade for 75 USD and get GVI. As that dog will hunt, especially with Plogue Bidule, or Brainspawn Forte, which is also a good sounding live tool. But I prefer loading everything once and not looking at the LCD until I shutdown. My hands and feet have enough to do w/o having to play with the DAW's, and load or edit.

I would be honored to help my fellow Brotha's with this app any time, as it is Scope's perfect companion, and is am all in one live show w/o using additional programs cluttering up our LCD's.

Strength And Honor,

bill3107 · Post by **bill3107** » Wed Aug 08, 2007 10:34 pm

yes, i have a Raptor for that purpose

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I am wondering what's the difference between GVI and GS3 ; i mean, i know one is a vsti (GVI) and the other will work as an independant software, right ? But when it comes to libraries, is there a difference ? Of course i won't waste 9000€ for a big library (prices can be tremendous !) but i want to spend my money fairly ... may be some libraries won't work with GVI. I don't know...

Jo

darkrezin · Post by **darkrezin** » Thu Aug 09, 2007 10:34 am

I've used later 2.x versions and GS3. No problems with 2.x, but GS3 really was a dog. You really DID need a dedicated machine... it did not play nicely with other hosts on the same system - bluescreens and other nasty stuff.

I haven't tried GVI so can't offer any input on that one. I purchased a copy of SFZ+ before it dropped Giga support so I guess I'm one of the lucky ones

A GSIF driver is all that is really needed. A GSIF2 driver is only needed for processing external signals through GS3's internal effects (convolution verbs etc - pretty forgettable effects IMHO.... sorry Jimmy!).

dawman · Post by **dawman** » Thu Aug 09, 2007 3:03 pm

GigaPulse is only good for impulse body resonance, and mic positioning IMHO. That's why I still use hardware reverbs like the Q20 ( ADAT ), and the PCM91 ( AES / EBU ).

I used GS3, and my production group used 2.54. Both were incredibly stable w/ Scope, but GS3 was just a big pig. They wanted to please the VST people, and overbloated the app IMHO. It could play several large libraries, but it's editor is where the action is. You use it to create your custom keyswitches, and performances, and transfer them to GVI, as that app will outload GS3 by 400-500% !! It is a mere 75 USD, and it is Vista capable already, where GS3 will never be 64bit.

I would get GS3 for the purpose of having GigaPulse's acoustic body resonance, and mic placement impulses, and the awesome editing control it provides, and it is the only way to get GVI for dirt cheap. That and the content provided is well worth the asking price for both apps. Then just use GVI / Scope and your choice of VST shell. I prefer the ease of use and simplicity of Bidule. They have excellent customer service, and believe it or not, Tascam now does as well. A few weeks ago I discovered my first bug !!......Ankyu........Ankyu. I could not use other instruments made for GVI by different developers in the same project window of Bidule. I contacted Plogue, and Sebastien requested a log of my dll. files, etc. He then contacted Tascam, they noticed the duplicate ID bug which only allowed seperate uses of GVI engine based instruments. I thought oh well, I am just lame and don't know what the fuck I'm doing, but I actually knew what I was doing, and trying to achieve. At any rate within 12 hours there was a GVI update ( 3.63 ) which I caused to have released. That's what I call developer collaboration, as none of the involved developers tried to blame each other, but rather got together and fixed the bug.........................http://www.tascam.com/details;9,7,51,19.html

I guess I dig into apps a little more than the other customers they have, but us live players have one shot, and it better be right God Damn It !

Brotha' Man Darkrezin is right on the money about his experience, and I agree 100 %. But if he saw GVI in action, I'm sure he would be pleased.

As a matter of fact, If SonicCore won't give us Vista drivers, I will be sad, but from what I have experienced live, I just don't need them as GVI and Bidule are SSE3, and SSE4 compliant, and use all of the threads you send at them. I will simply have 2 GVI / Scope / Bidule DAW's and use them till they die.

I now load DVD sized libraries on all 16 MIDI channels no sweat. Sonic Implants Symphonic Strings for GS3 is under 900 USD now, and is the sweetest sounding string sections I ever played. VSL seems to be evryuone elses, but I love to mix Mellotrons w/ my string sections, and those two smoke all others. Actually, if one has no need to do emulations of Symphony's, and just wants some really high quality sounding strings that are used in more pop style recordings, the SISS Mini library, mixed w/ their Vintage String Boxes library can be purchased for 400 USD for both !! Trust me,...the sound of these two when I do old covers of Yes, King Crimson, ELO, and others, is to die for. Many times live when I use these, people always ask me is I am using VSL, or Garritan, which as I earlier stated, pale in comparison.

I am happy to share my experience in these matteres as I have spent thousands unnecessarily to figure out what sounds the best, and works the best. And shall probably spend thousands more.

BTW, I would love this forum to post Scope Gigas users, as other forums I have frequented suck major cock compared to the Z. Too many lurkers who share nothing, and whine like little bitches about " stuck notes in Cubase " wah, wah, wah. " Can I get GVI for cheaper if I don't want the content ? ".......................Shut up Bitch !! The content in GVI is awesome and worth several hundred, as the freebies donated by developers were large and numerous.

Sorry, I tend to get a trifle excited about Scope Giga stuff.

darkrezin · Post by **darkrezin** » Fri Aug 10, 2007 5:16 am

Jimmy, it does look like they finally got it right with GVI!

dawman · Post by **dawman** » Fri Aug 10, 2007 1:21 pm

They did. If you have GS3, you should get it, as the content alone is worth triple the asking price. Actually the Continuous Velocity Piano going into Scope is incredible and worth the purchase. You can hear the pedal up / down releases and all of the luscious harmonics of the real piano, truly amazing.

dawman · Post by **dawman** » Sun Aug 12, 2007 2:37 pm

LSAD is the absolute best drum library for Gigastudio 3, but GVI has a new awesome companion now. Power Kits is able to apply any effect you desire to each layer as well as each sample. Playing these drums on a keyboard is great, you can customise the placement, as well as the room, ambience, velocity curve, filters, etc......Then just imagine these tracks in Scope through one of Shroomz's 8 channel tube strip, or mixer, and add SSB Modulator.

Mind Boggling to say the least.

It appears as though GS3 will still be a great editor to use for GVI instruments, and performances, and GS4 @ 64bit, will be used to work with the 64bit GVI, which is already here. Sounds like GS4 will be ready in 7 weeks, and definately punish the rest at NAMM 2008 in Anaheim. 'Bout fuckin' time eh?

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