Difference Version 1 and Version 2 Cards....?

rhythmaster · Post by **rhythmaster** » Mon Mar 19, 2007 1:28 pm

I just wanted to ask what the difference is between Scope SRB 15-DSP Version 1 and Version 2 cards.

Where can I obtain this information. Is it on the sticker directly on the board or elsewhere?

Any information is welcome!

Thank you

Harry

Lima · Post by **Lima** » Mon Mar 19, 2007 11:50 pm

The old scope pro had 15 DSP. The new has 14 of them. However the cpu power is the same, because in the first serie one dsp was used to syncronize the others.
As far as I know with the newer card you can only have a lower latency.
Probably they are more stable too, but in my experience the older card are rock solid as well.

Somewhere in thr forum there are some treads about this..

Mr Arkadin · Post by **Mr Arkadin** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 12:33 am

Actually both cards have 15 DSP, it's just that CreamWare started labelling them as 14 DSP because the 15th DSP is used for management and so doesn't show up in the DSP meter - thus causing many threads of "Where's my 15th DSP gone?", so they just relabelled it to stop confusion.

astroman · Post by **astroman** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 12:58 am

rhythmaster wrote:I just wanted to ask what the difference is between Scope SRB 15-DSP Version 1 and Version 2 cards...

it may be possible by production date (but difficult to get a reliable info...) and by the ultimate test in using it alone (or as 'master') and see if latency gets below 13 ms at 44.1k.
Recently someone reported a type 1 15DSP card that worked with a type 2 IO extender, so they may look (almost?) identical.

there are indeed Scope Pro cards with only 14 chips, someone counted them and reported that one 'solder location' was left empty.

cheers, Tom

bill3107 · Post by **bill3107** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 1:13 am

As i have owned both types i would suggest that you go for a RECENT version. First of all, the last generation ( i have a scope built in 2007 !) is shorter than the previous version (i would say 1 or 2 cm). But the main feature is that i can run several P100 reverbs (sonic timeworks) on my last generation (4 without any pci overflow problem) whereas i could open only 2 with a first generation.
It just seems that the last generation boards can handle the bandwidth in a better way. And watch out ! : gathering a first generation and a second one, lead to a .... 1st generation system ! I would definitly avoid Pulsar1 !!!!

As this kind of purchase is quite important (you can find a new scope pro at 1000€ in the USA /ebay) i would go for a used or new last generation in order to ensure a perfect compatibility with all the "big" plugins. It seems hard to identify a 1st/2d generation though. Just chose a soundcard made after, let's say, 2003 and you cannot go wrong... I have no crach at all and my intel based PC is very stable... just chose your next board carefully...you won't be desappointed!

Hope it helps !

Jonathan

rhythmaster · Post by **rhythmaster** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 4:36 am

Thanks for the information!!!!!

I think I continue working with my LUNA 2 + Pulsar XTC + Pulsar 2 until a brand new generation of boards will be released ...

tgstgs · Post by **tgstgs** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 5:23 am

its said that type 2 have a connector near the stdm bus for sync board;
type 1 not;
not sure on this!!!!!!!
iv seen 15 dsp boards with and without; the ones without were older so it could be;
the date of production is the best indicator!!

good vibes from and to vienna

kylie · Post by **kylie** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 8:19 am

Mr Arkadin wrote:Actually both cards have 15 DSP, it's just that CreamWare started labelling them as 14 DSP because the 15th DSP is used for management and so doesn't show up in the DSP meter - thus causing many threads of "Where's my 15th DSP gone?", so they just relabelled it to stop confusion.

I have a real 14DSP card. the layout still shows the place where it would have been soldered to, but, believe me, there are only 14 altogether

(I counted them) .

-greetings, markus-

ps. yes, I can make pictures if requested

pps. well, I should have read astromans post till the end...

manfriday · Post by **manfriday** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 8:29 am

I have a real 14DSP card. the layout still shows the place where it would have been soldered to, but, believe me, there are only 14 altogether (I counted them) .

How many show up in the DSP monitor? all 14 or just 13?

kylie · Post by **kylie** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 8:35 am

manfriday wrote:
I have a real 14DSP card. the layout still shows the place where it would have been soldered to, but, believe me, there are only 14 altogether (I counted them) .
How many show up in the DSP monitor? all 14 or just 13?

I could swear I see 20 (since there still are 2 lunas connected to it), but I'll check that, just for curiosity...

the card was manufactured a bit more than 2 years ago (around december 2004, afair).

-greetings, markus-

dawman · Post by **dawman** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 5:27 pm

I prefer when the card has I / O's, that it is a TYPE II.
SRB's are just more DSP's to cook with.

JV

Immanuel · Post by **Immanuel** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 10:43 pm

The old generation 1 Scope cards where said to be longer than generation 2 cards.

The big generation 2 cards where made with 15 dsps at first (I have a scope srb like this) and later on with 14 dsps (I have a scope professional like this). They are, however, both considered generation 2 cards, as they both provide the low ULLI settings.

When using 15dsp boards, sometimes they will count 15 dsps in the meter - and sometimes only 14. I varies between installations.

Generation 2 cards have better PCI-handling. They even work ok on the dreaded VIA Apollo 133 chip set.

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