Yet Even More Questions Regarding Winter Deals

[Atomic Marshmallow]

Hello again,

Just trying to find out your views on the Vintage Bundle and SL 9000 Channel Strip. First of all, could someone explain what the channel strip would do and how it would work within the context of the Pulsar environment (so where in the chain of things would it be added)? Would it also do the job of what the vintage Bundle does? The Brainworx BX Digital seems also interesting, but a bit pricey now seeing I just bought Flexor and the Dynatube Bundle. Would the Vintage Bundle or Channel strip still perform the same functions bearing in mind that I own Optimiser. So would a combination of those things be as high end as the Brainworx BX device?

I hope you don't mind all these questions I have been asking recently. I will openly admit that I am ignorant of the technical side of studios. I am more a musician than a technician, so excuse my ignorance.

Thanks

[Shroomz~>]

Hi, I'm thinking that another good question would be: .. If I pay good money for those eqs, are they definable as 'high end' because I've paid 'X' amount for them? Are they really high end or is that a myth? If they are 'high end', what exactly defines them as such?

cheers!

[husker]

Depends on what you need...if you are after mastering of the final mix, then the BX is a good compliment to Optimaster, and they do quite different things.

A channel strip is really for working with individual tracks, to get 'that sound'. So you may use it when recording, or when mixing but on individual tracks.

Hope this helps. Cheers.

[astroman]

... I will openly admit that I am ignorant of the technical side of studios. I am more a musician than a technician, so excuse my ignorance...

then ignore it yourself - just listen...
no need to hurry, you'll end with too much Scope stuff anyway, sooner or later - as most here suffer from a must-have-that-great-sound-syndrome.

you can safely ignore any tech specs, it's all nonsense and any marketing department will outperform it's supposed competition by another fairy tale.
CWA is no exception, but fortunately almost all of their stuff can take the 'listen test' easily

cheers, Tom

[Shroomz~>]

I need to ask, Is a Scope EQ 'high end' because it's got one or other or several colouration/s? Is it 'high end' because it's got a variation on or slightly unique circuit design? Is it 'high end' because it includes an unmentioned spacial algo or some other inclusion that changes the pure sound of the stock EQs? Do any of those factors render an EQ 'high end' on Scope or is it just that they all use Scope atoms which are supposedly high end anyway, meaning that any well built eq on Scope could be considered 'high end' by default?

[Wired]

now is a good time to get those plugs because of the deals, ...also if you buy , doesn't das give you the slbimode and sl900mc for free, i bought the Ams/neve rmx 160a reverb, and i got the 2 extra devices for free, my mixes are great and the vintage eq pack is also very handy, i compared the 1084 to my uad cards 1073 for settings that sounded bigger and better using das's within scope. and hey, they are cheaper. ...i think in a while i won't need my aud card anymore, ..but i'll keep it , cause you never know, and who knows, maybe one day someone will try a tape simulater?

[Shroomz~>]

Yeah, they sound better because they're on Scope. That's my point. If you take Wolf's Spectrum, Casper's morphing EQ's or McCyrano's recent MOVEQ+ or SATEQ, they would all be considered as high end as any other EQ on Scope no matter what the differences imo. It's the subtle differences that define them from one-another, not the subtle differences that make them high end.

I suppose my suggestion is as hinted at earlier:- That all well built EQs on Scope would or could be considered 'high end'. Does that make sense or am I barking mad or both ?

[digitalaudiosoft]

Hello again,

Just trying to find out your views on the Vintage Bundle and SL 9000 Channel Strip. First of all, could someone explain what the channel strip would do and how it would work within the context of the Pulsar environment (so where in the chain of things would it be added)? Would it also do the job of what the vintage Bundle does? The Brainworx BX Digital seems also interesting, but a bit pricey now seeing I just bought Flexor and the Dynatube Bundle. Would the Vintage Bundle or Channel strip still perform the same functions bearing in mind that I own Optimiser. So would a combination of those things be as high end as the Brainworx BX device?

I hope you don't mind all these questions I have been asking recently. I will openly admit that I am ignorant of the technical side of studios. I am more a musician than a technician, so excuse my ignorance.

Thanks

hi,

astroman is absolutly right ,we have demo ,try them and compare them to other free plugins ,you will understand what is 'high end".if you like distortion for example ,there are lots of free plugins which are very good ( celmo bluesman for guitar ).thats the reason we make demo...to compare...
olive and i are sound engineer we are not only designer,we have recording studios,lots of hardware....sl9000 channel strip,polteq,rmx160,dynpara m/s algorythms are very complexe and don't sounds like creamware eq.do they wired ? the sl9000 version2 has a better sound and closer to waves now.
why high end ? when you hear a reverb and you can say :"sound's like an ams that i usualy use..." a planetz member who have tryed it has writtten this post so...you can say high end ...
why high end...all our plugins are "calibrated" for example (simply to understand),we work with true hardware to model them,neve ams ssl4000e console.
why high end : try to masterize and get a sound like in my last production with some free plugins...you will quickly understand what it is
just another thing..lots of our customers have recording studios or work on radio or tv broadcast....why...

and for who thinks that 99 euros is very expensive and it's only the reason we can call them high end, they are absolulty wrong...professionnal buy some of our on demand plugins 6 or 10 X more.we have decided to give you all our plugs "high end "at 99 and we have only one price.dynpara m/s will be at same price.
i have used it to masterize stone age for example...
and i qualify the p100 as high end too ...not only das plugins.

bye,

eric

[digitalaudiosoft]

Is it 'high end' because it includes an unmentioned spacial algo or some other inclusion that changes the pure sound of the stock EQs?

high end is also for that reason : unmentioned special algo or some inclusion...you are right that's true and devellopers don't have to mention them of course.you can see on a post (always in planetz) that,after a small bug on the first demo of sl9000 master comp v1 ,we have use a dynamic eq in it to colore the sound to try to approach analog reaction hardware...it was unmentioned...

you have made lots of very nices design for mccyrano's free devices but what about sound tech ...can you tell me why there are more than 5 eq from digitalaudiosoft and lots of others like from de-vices,brainworks...and all sounds totally different ?
i agree that sound or what phase cancellation are very complexe to hear and to understand well,need good ear,need good hardware,need a little knowelge... everybody knows that..but hearing distortion is so easy and no need to have good hardware like i have.

of course ,if you take the 4 classic band atom in sdk and want to make an eq,it's very simple and that is not high end ...of course.

[digitalaudiosoft]

A channel strip is really for working with individual tracks, to get 'that sound'. So you may use it when recording, or when mixing but on individual tracks.

Hope this helps. Cheers.

that's true.and the mastering tools from das is the dynpara m/s.but using polteq and sl bimode on a master sounds good too.(polteq before sl bi mode on the chain of course).

eric

[digitalaudiosoft]

Hello again,

Just trying to find out your views on the Vintage Bundle and SL 9000 Channel Strip. First of all, could someone explain what the channel strip would do and how it would work within the context of the Pulsar environment (so where in the chain of things would it be added)? Would it also do the job of what the vintage Bundle does?
Thanks

try the demo, click on the ev design logo, you will see all algo (eq ,side chain,filters...) sometimes it's better to see that to have a tech explaination.(when i have to do in english...in french it could be asier for me)
or you can visit our website and download the sl9000 manual in pdf or in doc.
yes , you can do some equivalent with polteq (even better)...but you will need 2 filters , 1 compressor , one noise gate and one expander and you will have to choose where and how chain eq or filters on side chain for example without possiblity to change quickly to hear differences...the sl9000 is a sort of multiplugins with a high end developpement of selecting in out inside the plugin itself.

eric

[Shroomz~>]

I said 'spacial', not 'special', but nevermind.

[digitalaudiosoft]

I said 'spacial', not 'special', but nevermind.

yes, and i have volontary written "SPECIAL" because i don't know what " unmentionned spacial algo " are in our high end plugins,maybe in yours.
we use lots of unmentionned SPECIAL algos in our plugs that's the das sounds..never mind..

[Shroomz~>]

I think these differences between the sound & response of eqs (because of whatever circuit tweeks) actually just define them from one-another on the Scope Platform unless they use new Atoms. The differences do NOT define them as 'high end' which imo, is a subjective perception based primarily on the reputation of certain classic gear & also the studio snobbery which comes with all that.

I think it's great that you release demos of your devices because of course, people should be able to decide for themselves whether something is worth buying or not, whether something is 'mutton dressed as lamb' or not.

[hubird]

After all these explanations about the 'that sound' quality - and there's no reason why would I should doubt them - there still is the fact that the Poltec behaves different, it sounds exactly like the stock EQ, as the phase cancellation test recently proved.
Is it the proverbial exception or is there some truth in Shroomz's words?
cheers.

[digitalaudiosoft]

I think these differences between the sound & response of eqs (because of whatever circuit tweeks) actually just define them from one-another on the Scope Platform unless they use new Atoms. The differences do NOT define them as 'high end' which imo, is a subjective perception based primarily on the reputation of certain classic gear & also the studio snobbery which comes with all that.

i'm totally agree with you.

"l'art est d'associer le mieux possible ces atoms, pour en tirer la quintessence"

try it in english.

what we have to do is to try to assemblate all that same atoms as best as possible to have the best of their possiblility.

that's the reason why ,with absolutly same atoms ,you can make a p100, a masterverb or a rmx160...do they sound the same ? not of course.

about the english term " high end plugins " maybe you should write to creamware to explain them why they have qualify our plugins like that

[digitalaudiosoft]

After all these explanations about the 'that sound' quality - and there's no reason why would I should doubt them - there still is the fact that the Poltec behaves different, it sounds exactly like the stock EQ, as the phase cancellation test recently proved.
Is it the proverbial exception or is there some truth in Shroomz's words?
cheers.

hubird, don't be stupid another time please. you are wrong.the proove has been made and the phase cancellation was wrong.-60 db is the end of a shunt in a mix and you can hear it ,so if you don't understand that you should take tech lessons instead of writing shit post on das !!!your game smell very bad gui !
more i read you and your friends , more i understand that you don't understand what is sound and phase and music...never mind ....

on ne fera jamais d'un ane, un cheval de course ...french pun again.

[hubird]

i understand that you don't understand what is sound and phase and music

www.ezsound.nl

[digitalaudiosoft]

i understand that you don't understand what is sound and phase and music

www.ezsound.nl

ok and what ? do you call that music or sound ?...i really understand now thanks
we are not playing in the same category mr amateur.loop after loop...where is music there ? where is pro mixage...?do you call that musical arangement ?
i hope you are not serious

stone age = more than 80 000 cd in all the world ...

[Shroomz~>]

about the english term " high end plugins " maybe you should write to creamware to explain them why they have qualify our plugins like that :wink:

No need to write to them at all, as there's nothing wrong with them calling an EQ on Scope high end whether it's free or commercial. I would however put forward the hypothesis that all well built eq plugs on Scope could & probably should be considered high end, due to the architecture, nature & quality of the platform. As has been mentioned many times, Creamware's stock EQs are very high quality & probably worthy of the label 'high end'. That's all I'm saying.... That all GOOD EQs on Scope are essentially high end plug-ins. People can decide for themselves which ones are good & which ones aren't so good, but that's not easy in an enviroment where every circuit which is well built can sound excellent.