XLight

MCCY · Post by **MCCY** » Sat Sep 30, 2006 7:12 am

Light version of XL. Much lighter on DSP. I like it better soundwise.

Mono & Stereo - versions.

Martin

katano · Post by **katano** » Sat Sep 30, 2006 8:06 am

hi martin,

i could phase delete your XL!!!

No, just kidding

will try the magic knobs for shure. let me guess, no... else others want to find it out themselves...

greez
Roman

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MCCY · Post by **MCCY** » Sat Sep 30, 2006 9:33 am

Phasedeleting it should be really heavy. rather Impossible...

Maybe you'll try the bypass button first

It's not ready this way. In this state it's -as allways with my devices- more an experiment. Maybe I'll try to follow with this one the philosophy: Less is more and make some more nice tricks inside, letting some values influence some others etc.

The limiter 'itself' does not satisfy me really. I want more ... and I will get it...

EDIT: first step has been done with the X-button

Martin

P.S. The one in the middle is tricky. You won't find out... It's a "living" component.
I'd be interested in suggestions, what 'exactly' the other two do

It's tricky too.

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MCCY · Post by **MCCY** » Sat Sep 30, 2006 1:22 pm

hey, I first thought... "nah, just a quick idea-still lots of work to do", but I just took some minutes playing around with it and found it great to get some agression in a drumtrack or subtile colouring on a mix with moderate settings. O.K. some finetuning has to be done, but I was surprised about the effectivity of the knob in the middle.
It is something which I haven't done before but it is something not so uncommon in the world of compressors.
You will hear the Limiter becoming much less clinical in another way LC1 or Tong did before. It's interesting how the knob changes his qualities over the whole range without being really predictable...

Martin

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bosone · Post by **bosone** » Sat Sep 30, 2006 11:23 pm

why not to "cross" the level meter in order to draw an "X" with two of them?

cannonball · Post by **cannonball** » Sat Sep 30, 2006 11:24 pm

hi
i hope could be the perfect Mastering Limiter for the platform some 10db more without distorion...this is what say stw mastering compressor in their page "No harsh or sterile sounding compression coming from this unit. Perceived gain increases of over 10db" but over 3/4 db you obtain only some distorion or artifacts in sound.

MCCY · Post by **MCCY** » Sun Oct 01, 2006 12:00 am

I own all three STW compressors.
With new scope versions they got broken and never have been updated. Something is obviously broken with the attack/release values as in Compressor X (which confirmed Kimgr). I have a beta of a new, fixed Copmpressor X by kimgr, it works nice, i don't know if I am allowed to give it to anybody, so I will not.
The fixed version works quite well.

If I had to choose between my XL2 and the broken STW ones I'd choose XL2.

Martin

Soundexample will be up in a few minutes.
You will hear a drumbeat first unprocessed and then kicked with XL!

P.S. Glowing parts on XL are to adjust kind of saturation & fatness.

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cannonball · Post by **cannonball** » Sun Oct 01, 2006 12:15 am

hi
i have the entire bundles the
but i haven't the compx workin beta.
i have read here in the forum about it
i hope you can get an authorization from sonictimeworks or kmgr for spread out this update ,but i've never seen kmgr in zforum
and yep the STW mastercomp have some problem when you setting attack/realese and
doesn't works well at all, it's shame because is a must for the platform the only alternative to the vst limting world.

ops sorry we have just spoken on this problem and compx beta you are so lucky
MC i haven't works with compx from long time
http://www.planetz.com/forums/viewtopic ... 58&forum=5

but the kmgr page is there!!
http://d-media.dk/plugs/Timeworks_Serie ... ionHistory

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MCCY · Post by **MCCY** » Sun Oct 01, 2006 1:27 am

I just tried again the both stw mstering-comps and had the impression that they work quite well. Problems are not so obvious as with Compressor X, which I use very often in the beta version. Using Vinco and Compressor X you get a wide variety of sound-possibilities.
Just ask kimgr if he'd give it to you. I see no real problem with that, cause you have to have the serial for it.
I compared both to XL and yes, these are differend things, but all with good results in their metier.
I have a very realistic idea on how to build such mstering limiter. I will try it some day.
The x-button was a first step (still some finetuning needed) in that direction and convinced me, that it should work well.

Martin

MCCY · Post by **MCCY** » Sun Oct 01, 2006 2:31 am

Tip:
- take a track you allready pushed to a very high volume (with a mastering limiter)
- turn off the XL - limiter (raise treshhold to 0), but set Attack to 0 & release to something like 0,100 & ratio to inf
- X- button should be pressed
- reduce the limiter gain to something like -4 could be -6 for louder input signals
- raise both glowing elements to max

=> great increase of volume & fatness without typical (much less for that gain you achieve!) overdrive that's normally with saturation

Martin

P.S.
O.K. it does not work on any material!

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hifiboom · Post by **hifiboom** » Sun Oct 01, 2006 4:43 am

thank you MC,
this sounds very nice!

btw nice sound sample to show what it does!
I has a nice and very rough sound. I like it.

well done.

You development skills really improve quickly!!!

[ This Message was edited by: hifiboom on 2006-10-01 05:46 ]

MCCY · Post by **MCCY** » Sun Oct 01, 2006 6:20 am

Thanks hifiboom,
but this was no real improvement. Just another idea. With logic of SDK in my head I sometimes wake up in the morning with a new idea, which can be done relatively quickly to get a rough first impression. Then finetuning eats time.

It's -although it doesn't use any envelope follower- in the line of "Tong" and "LC1" which are really great compressors too - Tong is even much more complicated and versatil.

Surely I'm learning. Every day. But my devices are far from being cheap in sound since the beginning.
The only thing really missing in my head is a sense for simple structured design with reduced functionality. I am a tweaker and allways want many possibilities... But you know I found a supporting designer who hopefully will do the one or other GUI to these devices, because he has the absolute feeling for quality-look and feel of a device.

martin

katano · Post by **katano** » Sun Oct 01, 2006 8:01 am

2 output gains??

MCCY · Post by **MCCY** » Sun Oct 01, 2006 8:40 am

So there seems to happen something after limiter out

...

katano · Post by **katano** » Sun Oct 01, 2006 9:28 am

aha, another Eierlegende-Woll-Milch-Sau

sorry, don't know the word in English

cheerz
Roman

MCCY · Post by **MCCY** » Sun Oct 01, 2006 9:33 am

Schon angehört?

katano · Post by **katano** » Sun Oct 01, 2006 9:53 am

the problem i have is that i don't have scope at home and vice-versa no internet in my studio, so i didn't have the possibility to try it yet... but the demo mp3 sounds good, as far i can hear with my cheap desktop speakers... in- and output are not the same level, aren't they? you may should set the volume to the same for better comparison?

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Herr Voigt · Post by **Herr Voigt** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 2:27 pm

My compressors X seem also broken, and the vintage EQ doesn't work properly, too. What a pity! I liked these devices. Guys of STW, do you read this? The last update is long ago!
Now I have to replace the compressors X with the Vinco in my current projects. Sounds very nice, but has no treshold and some other gimmicks ...
I'm lucky that the Mastering comp doesn't have these problems. I always work with the hard knee version. The soft knee version is too dark and muddy for mastering.

MCCY · Post by **MCCY** » Tue Oct 03, 2006 3:17 am

On 2006-10-02 15:27, Herr Voigt wrote:
My compressors X seem also broken, and the vintage EQ doesn't work properly, too. What a pity! I liked these devices. Guys of STW, do you read this? The last update is long ago!
Now I have to replace the compressors X with the Vinco in my current projects. Sounds very nice, but has no treshold and some other gimmicks ...
I'm lucky that the Mastering comp doesn't have these problems. I always work with the hard knee version. The soft knee version is too dark and muddy for mastering.

I once mastered a Piano-recording for a CD and used the soft version for very carefully adding some noblessity to the pianosound. For that purpose the darkness you mentioned was great! I agree with you for many other cases. When using it for Rock/Pop I added some high freq, once a PSYq, but in general I don't use it that often too.

Martin

Herr Voigt · Post by **Herr Voigt** » Tue Oct 03, 2006 3:01 pm

Yes, we can use it for "economical" arrangements to give the sound some depth and noblesse, but we have to use it very carefully. My works are often fat and polyphon with many deep instruments, so the hard knee mastercomp brings more transparency and plasticity.