Question to DAS about the SL9000 Master Comp

katano · Post by **katano** » Fri Sep 01, 2006 4:41 am

Hi all and hi DAS

I'm not shure if this was discussed in one of the painfull DAS threads before i really don't want to fight through again. First, i do not attack someone with this thread

DAS, I know you asked for direct mails, but I think this could be interesting for all pulsarians...

Ok, let's go...

Test Scenario:
Yesterday, I played a bit around with the SL9000 mastercomp and also the bx_digital. Suddenly I recognized that when the SL9000 is placed BEFORE the bx_digital (in master inserts on a stm2448), i got some results i didn't expect at all!
While SL9000 was ON, i solo'd the side channel of the bx_digital. Then I heard the Attack of the dry bassdrum on the sidesignal and also some snare and vocal parts WHO ARE COMPLETELY CENTERED (and without any effects) in the mix and shouldn't be hearable on the side channel in my oppinion. Then i muted the sl9000 mastercomp and all the bassdrum, snare and vocal parts disappeared from the side channel on bx_digital...

And now the questions:
1. For me it seems like there's kind a stereo enhancement in the compressor, isn't it?
2. Or there are definitively some phase modifications, maybe issues, in the signal, aren't they?
3. Is this a wanted thing or maybe but a bug?
4. Does the "original" hardware mastercomp or even the waves ssl vst-plug act the same way?

thanx in advance
greez
Roman

[ This Message was edited by: katano on 2006-09-01 05:45 ]

katano · Post by **katano** » Mon Sep 04, 2006 12:03 am

hello? is there anybody out there?

[ This Message was edited by: katano on 2006-09-04 01:03 ]

CS · Post by CS » Mon Sep 04, 2006 1:14 am

hello,

maybe you should send them an e-mail. That's what i've done - as i needed explanations about the sl9000 http://www.planetz.com/forums/viewtopic ... &forum=5&0 . I have sent them my snare drum track and they send it back "corrected" by the sl9000, and have explained me how they've done !!. It seems they don't really want to participate here anymore, as some rather unfounded critics were made...

katano · Post by **katano** » Mon Sep 04, 2006 1:37 am

done...

Post by **hubird** » Mon Sep 04, 2006 4:08 am

On 2006-09-04 02:14, CS wrote:
It seems they don't really want to participate here anymore, as some rather unfounded critics were made...

yeah, the internet is tough, pfew!

astroman · Post by **astroman** » Mon Sep 04, 2006 4:54 am

On 2006-09-04 02:14, CS wrote:
... It seems they don't really want to participate here anymore, as some rather unfounded critics were made...

but using this webspace at an advertizing platform - how cute ...

cheers, Tom (sorry couldn't resist)

[ This Message was edited by: astroman on 2006-09-04 06:26 ]

katano · Post by **katano** » Mon Sep 04, 2006 5:05 am

tom, please, this thread is about the plugin...

what do you think about the test i wrote above? this is what i'd like to hear from you guys... could someone who has bx_digital and the sl9000 master comp do the test?

thanx
Roman

bill3107 · Post by **bill3107** » Mon Sep 04, 2006 5:09 am

100% agree. And you CS, what do you think about the result+explaination. That's the point.

astroman · Post by **astroman** » Mon Sep 04, 2006 5:42 am

On 2006-09-01 05:41, katano wrote:
...
2. Or there are definitively some phase modifications, maybe issues, in the signal, aren't they?
...

on my system the 2448 mixer is not sample accurate...

it's of course IN NO way audible (under real-world conditions), but if setup for a test scenario - same signal to several channels and then try to phase extinguish it may have a few samples deviation on one or the other channel.

Since that's like counting peas for 99.9% of all applications I just ignore it, but it may have something to do with your observation.
At least the mixer is a component in the signal chain, and the 2448 isn't the most simple structured

cheers, Tom
don't nail me down for dissing CWA...

katano · Post by **katano** » Mon Sep 04, 2006 5:55 am

thanx tom, that's what i call an on-topic answer

hmmm, but...

why should phase change when i don't change anything in my mixing setup except muting the sl9000 mastercomp in the master inserts? i'm not shure if thats the reason for the phenomenon, but nevertheless i'll do further tests outside the mixer...

stay in phase
Roman

Shroomz~> · Post by **Shroomz~>** » Mon Sep 04, 2006 5:58 am

Katano, I'm sorry I didn't reply to your thread here earlier as it may have solved your problem instantly. Having read your problem & also understanding a little about the SL9000, I can tell you the following...

You are using it wrongly.

If I'm not mistaken the SL9000 is a MONO channel strip. It is supposed to be inserted in a mono channel (drum, vocal channel or whatever) not in the master STM inserts which are stereo. Obviously BX_Dig' can reside there without problems, but a mono strip like the SL9000 won't be happy there at all.

Hope this helps clear things up.

Shroomz~> · Post by **Shroomz~>** » Mon Sep 04, 2006 6:01 am

OOPS

What I've written above applies to the SL9000, not the master comp, sorry Katano I misread your post I thought you were talking about the other SL9000.

katano · Post by **katano** » Mon Sep 04, 2006 6:25 am

thanx shroomzzz, too many mushroomzzz this weekend?

indeed, i'm am talking about the DAS SL9000 Master Comp

greez
Roman

astroman · Post by **astroman** » Mon Sep 04, 2006 6:25 am

On 2006-09-04 06:55, katano wrote:
...why should phase change when i don't change anything in my mixing setup except muting the sl9000 mastercomp in the master inserts? ...

well, I dunno the internals, but the fundamental things apply...

even on a DSP card, there's memory, and even a slight shift of a buffer may have some strange effects...
that is pure speculation of course, but cannot be denied per definition.

cheers, Tom

Shroomz~> · Post by **Shroomz~>** » Mon Sep 04, 2006 6:37 am

On 2006-09-04 07:25, katano wrote:
thanx shroomzzz, too many mushroomzzz this weekend?

Nah, haven't touched those since the 90's.

katano · Post by **katano** » Mon Sep 04, 2006 6:51 am

On 2006-09-04 07:37, Shroomz wrote:
Nah, haven't touched those since the 90's.

and they're still working? good stuff man!

Shroomz~> · Post by **Shroomz~>** » Mon Sep 04, 2006 7:44 am

yes apparently they are still working

CS · Post by CS » Mon Sep 04, 2006 10:43 am

bill3107 wrote:
100% agree. And you CS, what do you think about the result+explaination. That's the point.

yes, that's the point.
impressive result and good explanation.

CS · Post by CS » Mon Sep 04, 2006 10:53 am

On 2006-09-04 02:14, CS wrote:
It seems they don't really want to participate here anymore, as some rather unfounded critics were made...
yeah, the internet is tough, pfew!

some people here seem to have enough knowledge to judge every single sentence... maybe they're too clever to participate right here...

Post by **hubird** » Mon Sep 04, 2006 12:22 pm

if Katano says the thread is done I could react