Will be new Scope hardware?

lagoausente · Post by **lagoausente** » Mon Aug 28, 2006 8:53 am

I mean, is there any solid indication about new hardware for SFP? New dsps, new interfaces? Or are just wishes?
What about the economy health of the company?

dawman · Post by **dawman** » Mon Aug 28, 2006 10:49 am

Give Us The The Body Of Ralf

lagoausente · Post by **lagoausente** » Mon Aug 28, 2006 12:41 pm

Post by **hubird** » Mon Aug 28, 2006 12:47 pm

not to answer the ??, but it's a regular dispute on planetz, not only in the past

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Post by **garyb** » Mon Aug 28, 2006 7:06 pm

yes, eventually.
the funny thing is that except for the upcoming lack of pci slots on common motherboards, there's no need for new hardware as the old hardware is still in a class of it's own with no competitors...

lagoausente · Post by **lagoausente** » Tue Aug 29, 2006 9:55 am

Well my second post "???" was about "give us the body of Ralf", I really don´t undertand.
I just ask about the issue becuase usually read about talking of new hardware, but really don´t know if the issue comes from Creamware promises or users wishes. This is was just the dubt.

petal · Post by **petal** » Tue Aug 29, 2006 11:26 am

Creamware has made no promises - They have hinted that something will happen, but what that something is and when it will happen, only Creamware knows.

hifiboom · Post by **hifiboom** » Tue Aug 29, 2006 11:40 am

I think they have no choice...

soon or later they will have to pull out new hardware and a new design.

petal · Post by **petal** » Tue Aug 29, 2006 11:59 am

Well its new development, and that is expensive, and Creamware don't have any money.

lagoausente · Post by **lagoausente** » Tue Aug 29, 2006 12:28 pm

On 2006-08-29 12:59, petal wrote:
Well its new development, and that is expensive, and Creamware don't have any money.

Do you know this, or do you think it?

petal · Post by **petal** » Tue Aug 29, 2006 2:18 pm

I don't know it. But Creamware did go bankrupcy not that long ago.

New Scope-hardware demands new development of the hardware itself, new drivers to run the new hardware and a transfer of all the "old" softwarebase, which is not a trivial thing alltogther. It demands manhours and expertice (read money).

If the ASB's do well, there's hope.

If some of you guys disagree with this estamate of the situation, please speak up.

Post by **hubird** » Tue Aug 29, 2006 4:25 pm

On 2006-08-29 15:18, petal wrote:
I But Creamware did go bankrupcy not that long ago.

As I've understood it, the problems were to characterize as a state of 'insolvancy', not bancrupty.
I'm not a financial expert at all, but it is a big difference.
Just for historical correctness...

@ Lagoausente, I did get the meaning of the '??' as addressed to the body of ralf thingie

I just didn't want my answer to look like a correction of Scope4live's words.

Typing now anyway, look at Scope4live's exclamations as ritual eruptions of a bursting out poet

Freely translated he just said 'God (Ralf) knows!', which -indeed- said it all

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petal · Post by **petal** » Tue Aug 29, 2006 5:44 pm

True bankrupcy was not the correct economic technical term, thanks for correcting me.

Please don't get me wrong, I love Creamware, I have invested a lot of money in the system, and I like to work with it. I too hope to see new Scope-hardware someday, but I don't expect to see it soon.

dawman · Post by **dawman** » Tue Aug 29, 2006 6:56 pm

If there are no new cards, I will still use my hardware till it dies completely. Then, and only then, I will break out my Oberheims and go to the only logical choice of quality, as I believe that VSTi's shall come along with the new amounts of power from Core 2 Duo, but they will never replace my beloved SFP synths and Emulations.

So It Shall Be Written, So It Shall Be Done,

Jimmy V.

Lagoausente, read the demise of SFP in the year 2015 in the off topic forums on page 2. As it will confirm any suspicions you might have on " The Body Of Ralf".

bill3107 · Post by **bill3107** » Tue Aug 29, 2006 10:47 pm

for sure, they have spent a lot of money for the ASBs (they cost more than a mere pcie card)!! That proves that they can spend money if it is worth it. As i have already mentionned, before launching a "killing product", you must :

- first of all get the trust of the market and the fame. I do think that ASB orientation is reaching those 2 goals : there are very good reviews on these ASBs boxes and they seem to have a great success.

- and second, is pciexpress the future? Who knows?

Eventually, who knows the creamware policy? They are aware of the technical moves and i do think that they focus their attention (and money !) on what is worth it ! In the meantime, we all have what we need ... just wait. I keep my dsp and all the effects and synths..

Jo

Lima · Post by **Lima** » Tue Aug 29, 2006 11:02 pm

I agree with Scopeforlive and I think that when will be developed such an incredible (and Cpu hungry) synth or effect wich works only on the new machines, I will use my actual pc only for the emulations. Actually I don't belive that ours minimoog, pro12 (etc...) emulations can become old soon. And maybe it's possible to say the same for the mixers.

The new boards will be more powerfull and will be updated to the new pc standards, but I belive that will not be very different than the actual in terms of software.

I hope they will be hardware compatible (maybe usig the STDM connector?!?!?) but a big deal will be for us (i belive) if they are compatible at least in terms of software.

Post by **garyb** » Tue Aug 29, 2006 11:21 pm

the software is already done. the new chips still use the same code. why reinvent the wheel?

soul-synthesis · Post by **soul-synthesis** » Tue Aug 29, 2006 11:58 pm

I second that!

On 2006-08-28 11:49, scope4live wrote:
Give Us The The Body Of Ralf

hifiboom · Post by **hifiboom** » Wed Aug 30, 2006 12:53 am

So It Shall Be Written, So It Shall Be Done

oh man thats soooo funny....

[ This Message was edited by: hifiboom on 2006-08-30 01:54 ]

lagoausente · Post by **lagoausente** » Wed Aug 30, 2006 10:00 am

I´m thinking about two issues you told here. The ASB, and the hipotetical "box" for multiple conections (firewire, pcie, etc).
Well, on the point my limited knoledge gives me, I´m thinking the ASB is not far away of the ideal "box". I mean, USB port, dsp and low latency. If I´m not wrong, the problem on the actual PCI hardware when are used on a laptop with a Magma, usually are for using devices that required lot of memory, i.e. reverbs, sampler.. etc.
That dependency of the PC memory, if I´m correct, makes a needing of a quite high bandwith. When removing those devices that used lot of ram, the problem with Magma and cardbus disappear in most cases.
My conclusion is that using a box like ASB, with onboard RAM, and a sigle USB 2.0, the box would be done. Since the Box have all the memroy needed, the only thing must travel through and for the computer would be the audio and midi channels, and the sofware control. That could be done with a sible USB 2.0 port, like in many interfaces now.
I think, ASB have USB 1.1. Just adding a 2.0 one, and Onboard RAM, to the box would made the choice, If I´m not wrong in my theories. And that seems not so big step from what they just made.