RMX160 NOISE GATE

digitalaudiosoft · Post by **digitalaudiosoft** » Mon Aug 14, 2006 11:37 pm

hi,

there is a noise gate in this plugins,in dynamic section,take care to adjust well all parameters, and of course release time to have a good sound.if you don't the sound cut when the signal is to less.

eric

and don't forget that a reverb has to be used with an effect send and not in insert in a mono track.

katano · Post by **katano** » Tue Aug 15, 2006 12:36 am

nice hint, thx

astroman · Post by **astroman** » Tue Aug 15, 2006 4:54 am

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hifiboom · Post by **hifiboom** » Tue Aug 15, 2006 5:00 am

Hi Eric,

you are not completely right.

I have never touched the noise gate so far....
And if I look at the default settings, it should be switched of...

So there must be some kind of bug.

listen to this file:
http://home.arcor.de/soundspace2/Plugin ... _60wet.wma
it occures at around 9seconds... and at the end...

and the distortion bug on RMX160 is also still there

IN and OUT LED Indicator are still green or yellow but reverb distorts heavily, igf I ajust the sound the RMX160 its okay.
But the indicators are definitly working in a wrong way.

If they don`t show exactly whats going on, there is no need for the indicators...

best regards and thank you for your answers,
hifiboom

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digitalaudiosoft · Post by **digitalaudiosoft** » Tue Aug 15, 2006 5:09 am

On 2006-08-15 00:37, digitalaudiosoft wrote:
hi,

there is a noise gate in this plugins,in dynamic section,take care to adjust well all parameters, and of course release time to have a good sound.if you don't the sound cut when the signal is to less.

eric

and don't forget that a reverb has to be used with an effect send and not in insert in a mono track.

i prefere quote my first post.

please ,instead of writing that rmx160 has a bug , you have to understand what is 0dbfs yet.

katano has bought this reverb.you should ask him by mp if he has this bug instead of writing this kind of post like your friend astroman the mythoman.

eric from digitalaudiosoft.

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http://www.digitalaudiosoft.com

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Shroomz~> · Post by **Shroomz~>** » Tue Aug 15, 2006 5:18 am

On 2006-08-15 05:54, astroman wrote:
how do you insert a reverb in a mono channel in SFP ?

Go to C:/Scope/Devices/Effects/Mono & make a 'reverb' folder. Then go to your stereo 'reverb' folder & copy all of your reverb devs & mdls over to your new reverb folder in 'mono' effects. Done. Now you have all of your reverbs available in mono (left channel input only of course)

May be useful, maybe not

digitalaudiosoft · Post by **digitalaudiosoft** » Tue Aug 15, 2006 6:14 am

@hifiboom,

from http://home.arcor.de/soundspace2/

http://home.arcor.de/soundspace2/SCOPE% ... rmx160.htm

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SCOPE REVERB PLUG-IN

Digital Audio Software RMX160

General Information

igital Audio Software RMX160 is supposed to model the AMS Neve RMX-16

Features

Usually most reverb units have many parameters to fit every kind of application. This one only features a few simple parameters.

The most important are knobs for size, time and pre delay. There is also a 3-parametric EQ to alter the reverb for different tasks and to change the sound for different room characteristics.

For further manipulation of the reverb decay there is also a modulation and a dynamic section.

But if you are searching for early reflection type parameters you won`t find them here. There is no early reflection modelling in this algorithm or at least it is not split away from the late reverb.

Usage and Soundquality

This plug-in is really easy to use.

There is no matrix of 30 parameters you have to fiddle around. You just set size and time parameter for the right room impression, after this you change the EQ to make it fit to the sound. Very nice!

To my ears it sounds like a nice vintage reverb but a high class one. Very clean reverb with the right amount of “air”. (the difference between a high class reverb and a low class one that is just fully damped to sound cleaner).

Without using the EQ the RMX160 can sometimes also sound a little bit filthy with the higher frequencies (almost every reverb does this). But there is an EQ for damping, so this is no problem at all.

The sonic soundquality really is very nice. This reverb does generate a wide lush space and it is also very realistic sounding. So I would suggest it for post production and classical music also.

The reverb doesn`t sound “cloudy” like the Lexicon reverbs. ( I also like them)

Lsiten how the flute is improved by the reverb. When you listen to the fadeout you get an opinion of the vintage character of this plug-in. It is a little bit ringy here and there, but in a special and nice way

Flute_dry

RMX160_10seconds 50%_wet

One of its strength is reverberating drums without noticeable bad artefacts.

No flutter because of early reflections and also nice space. There are three examples with different decay length.

Drums_dry

RMX160_decay=0,5sec size=1 50%wet

RMX160_decay=7sec size=1 50%wet

RMX160_decay=20sec size=5 50%wet

Here are some further examples, so you get a feeling of the sonic qualities of this reverb plug-in

Messerscharf_dry

RMX160_decay=4sec size=1 50%wet

Didgeridoo_dry

RMX160 decay=1sec size=5_70%wet

India_dry

RMX160 decay=17sec size=10_50%wet

Drums_dry

RMX160 decay=7sec size=5_50%wet

Rolling_snares_dry

RMX160 decay=1sec size=1_50%wet

Vocal_dry

RMX160 decay=4sec size=10_50%wet

Zupf_dry

RMX160 decay=7sec size=5_100%wet

Finally some “dead” dry drum machine sounds through the RMX

Electronic drums_dry

RMX160 decay=10sec size=7_60%wet

Conclusion

This plug-in works just fine on every kind of sounds and has its own character. It is useful for many tasks, where the special “air” and real life feeling is important.

It sounds totally different compared to the Masterverb Pro which is more flexible and features early reflection modelling but does not give you this “wide opened lush reverb”.

I recommend this one for everything, but especially theatre themes, soundtracks, classical music and ambient sounds, because it does not sound like a lifeless room.
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i don't understand...

idem for masterverb pro test.

http://home.arcor.de/soundspace2/SCOPE% ... rb_pro.htm

eric

hifiboom · Post by **hifiboom** » Tue Aug 15, 2006 6:27 am

thanks, this site was still under constuction and not to be released today...

But anyways its okay.

I really like your reverb and I extensivly tested it...

But I don`t like the way you handly user like me that think they have a problem with your plug-in.

This still is a user forum, and you cannot only expect the positive side.

I always try to stay objective...

digitalaudiosoft · Post by **digitalaudiosoft** » Tue Aug 15, 2006 6:32 am

On 2006-08-15 06:00, hifiboom wrote:

I have never touched the noise gate so far....
And if I look at the default settings, it should be switched of...

it's what i say , you have to set the dynamics section.default settings is not swiched of.the sound always pass trought noise gate.and for information,the equ is just after input,the reflection are affected by the eq settings.

this plugins is not as simply as you think.

eric

digitalaudiosoft · Post by **digitalaudiosoft** » Tue Aug 15, 2006 6:44 am

On 2006-08-15 07:27, hifiboom wrote:
thanks, this site was still under constuction and not to be released today...

But anyways its okay.

I really like your reverb and I extensivly tested it...

But I don`t like the way you handly user like me that think they have a problem with your plug-in.

This still is a user forum, and you cannot only expect the positive side.

I always try to stay objective...

you are right ,but if you think that there is a bug ,maybe it's better to write mp or support for that instead of writing in a public forum.

now,i'm sure that you have understood that there is no bug in this reverb.

when i will have time ,i will try to make a pdf like for sl9000.

thanks

eric

hifiboom · Post by **hifiboom** » Tue Aug 15, 2006 7:00 am

On 2006-08-15 07:32, digitalaudiosoft wrote:
On 2006-08-15 06:00, hifiboom wrote:

I have never touched the noise gate so far....
And if I look at the default settings, it should be switched of...

it's what i say , you have to set the dynamics section.default settings is not swiched of.the sound always pass trought noise gate.and for information,the equ is just after input,the reflection are affected by the eq settings.

this plugins is not as simply as you think.

eric

okay Eric,

just one question:

you measure the input LED before EQ, right?
and the output LED indicates at the end of the reverb.
if so I know why it sometimes can give distorted sound and does not show on the indicators...

If you boost the bass frequencies and the EQ is behind measuring for the IN_LED, it does not show on this amplitude LED...

its hard to see when distortion starts or not

at least I often get overdriven reverbs, and normally this hould be indicated with the output gain LEDs...

Its some kind of internal clipping when you boost some frequencies...

I can deal with this but it would be nice to have an indicator for when clipping occurs and when not...

I think so.....

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astroman · Post by **astroman** » Tue Aug 15, 2006 7:27 am

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digitalaudiosoft · Post by **digitalaudiosoft** » Tue Aug 15, 2006 7:51 am

hifiboom,

RMX160_decay=0,5sec size=1 50%wet

RMX160_decay=7sec size=1 50%wet

RMX160_decay=20sec size=5 50%wet

as we can see ,you use this plug ,and masterverb pro too, into insert.
it's not like that.reverb are made to be used on effect send with 0% dry....but you have to understand what is 0dbfs before too if you want to use rmx160 on insert.
on a pulsar , odbvu is set to -16 and -18 on my protools for example.
if you use a 0dbfs signal on input and make bass boost,all the circuits in the plug are clipping.it's normal on rmx160.
the algo of rmx160 and masterverb pro are not the same ,and it's the reason why you can't do this kind of comparaison.

...but i'm not here to give more explication about that...

use rmx160 like i say,on effect send ,and ,if you can ,with a real drum ,not sample ,and you will understand that's this reverb works fine.

i'm finishing my last cd production with real musician and drummer, and i have decided to use cw xtc and all das plugs instead of mixing this cd on the ssl and protools.you will be surprised.

for now,the only thing you can hear is the last music film i have co-produced with editionstempsreel.with this reverb and many das plugins on my scope with xtc mode of course.

http://www.editionstempsreel.fr/

it was 18 month ago ...

eric

hifiboom · Post by **hifiboom** » Tue Aug 15, 2006 8:11 am

Eric,

normally I use my reverbs as sendfx too.

But for these tests it was just easier for me to pull them into the mixer as an insert.

I understand your whole point about . And I do not say that there is something wrong if clipping occurs...
nearly all plug-ins do this...

this is just normal ...I have never had a problem with this.

The only thing I would like to see is an indicator that shows me when if it does clip and when not....

You have to aggree that if your reverb is clipping only 1db, that you hardly can hear this...
so you need an indicator, you can rely on.
(by the way its the same with the EQs)

Thats all.

by the way, I love warps reverbs also very much. I have CSR. I`ve not had my hands on the pulsar versions yet. (Had no time yet)

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bill3107 · Post by **bill3107** » Wed Aug 16, 2006 4:29 am

i am ok with the fact that MPs should be used instead of devastating message on the forum. IF, there is no support or bad one, so it is important to let people know...

Just wanted to point out that 1) potential customers must respect developpers' fame and stay moderate when it comes to judge a plugin, mainly if the test has been too short and 2) companies (who live thanks to their customers) must answer to their clients.

Thank you for your answers DAS, and thank you all for the feed backs...

Jo

digitalaudiosoft · Post by **digitalaudiosoft** » Wed Aug 16, 2006 5:25 am

On 2006-08-16 05:29, bill3107 wrote:
i am ok with the fact that MPs should be used instead of devastating message on the forum. IF, there is no support or bad one, so it is important to let people know...

Just wanted to point out that 1) potential customers must respect developpers' fame and stay moderate when it comes to judge a plugin, mainly if the test has been too short and 2) companies (who live thanks to their customers) must answer to their clients.

Thank you for your answers DAS, and thank you all for the feed backs...

Jo

merci jo,

you are right

eric

bill3107 · Post by **bill3107** » Wed Aug 16, 2006 8:32 am

you are welcome man. I just think that you are doing a good job and that all of the planetz people do not have bad intentions. But remember guys that rumor, "fast" points of view can have a great influence on the customer trust. Just let us be honest and fair. The P100 was very good. ok. we also talked about the pci bandwidth issue. that's fair. We must do the same for DAS.

For example, i have heard many things about creamware's marketing strategy those last days/months. We all know, NOW, that that strategy was not so dumb...it was not so stupid to 1)invest on hardware ASBs which lead to fame and sales 2)avoid soundcard developpement because of MAc/PC, pciexpress issues which creates a kind of instability and 3) let plugin developpement like DAS, Brainvorx, dynatube... go on.

It is also true that it is easy to speak about something we do not really know. It is not a matter of intention, just the internet/forum trap : it is just easy to write...

My opinion for DAS is :
- the EQs look great ! if they sound "magic" i will buy them. If they sound quite like our scope EQs i would buy them for the knobs but at a cheaper price.
- the reverb sounds great and have a low dsp usage, which is the weakness of the P100. And the price is very good. So, i am thinking about this plug.

That's just my opinion...

Jo

katano · Post by **katano** » Wed Aug 16, 2006 8:33 am

and yes, a little pdf would be fine as some people didn't have the time or patience to figure it all out themselves

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katano · Post by **katano** » Wed Aug 16, 2006 8:38 am

and a little DAS preset list too

bill3107 · Post by **bill3107** » Wed Aug 16, 2006 8:42 am

definitly agree with you : pdf and presets...

Jo