LOOP-lay

MCCY · Post by **MCCY** » Fri Jul 07, 2006 6:31 am

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This is the non-modular-stereo-16sec-version of at0ms "Loepah".

- independent stereo input (I will make a mono version later)
- Delay up to 16sec (EDIT: no, thats at 120 bpm, it's maximum delay is 20sec)
- Midi-capable, Presets seem to work...
- internal and external tempo-sync

have fun!

Martin

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P.S. As allways with my devices, standard settings are not very well. Don't forget to set the gate settings right!!!

EDIT:
Yes, there are some layout-things that could be fixed for easier usage.
The lowest row of potis sets the Envelope-Follower attack, release, in, out. Out-volume is important for setting the intensity with which the incoming signal replaces the "old" loop. So set it low and you'll have a real looping machine. When setting Ev.Foll.-output low you should rise the in-ground-amp, so that the incoming signal will be recorded loud enough. Maybe I'll add a master-out-poti. An insert-effect in the loop would be nice, wouldn't it?

Gate-settings will be visible when left-down-button is active!

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UPDATE!!!
LOOP-lay 2 added

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LOOP-lay2b with kill-button (press it for a few seconds (less than delay-time)) & MIDI-clock-out

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KILL-switch does not work properly, I don't know why...

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UPDATE:
KILLswitch better working.

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UPDATE:
V3 added. LOOP-lay is able now to sync to extern clock-source. There is a hidden surface in the device, you access by right-clicking the device where you can adjust behavior with incoming clock signals. These gain-finetunings correct problems in the range of ms.
KILL switch is still not very fast, but I think it's O.K..

I LOVE THIS DEVICE !!!!!! We gonna have sweet children some day. ;o)))

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Lima · Post by **Lima** » Fri Jul 07, 2006 8:53 am

Thank you Martin for all your new devices!

Post by **hubird** » Fri Jul 07, 2006 1:23 pm

thanks MC, I'm sure I will use this one (and thanks Atom

).

JLS · Post by **JLS** » Fri Jul 07, 2006 1:36 pm

Very thanks

Post by **garyb** » Fri Jul 07, 2006 3:36 pm

yes, thanks!

cannonball · Post by **cannonball** » Sat Jul 08, 2006 1:04 am

hi
thanks for all your great devices

ale

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Shroomz~> · Post by **Shroomz~>** » Sat Jul 08, 2006 5:19 am

Thanks a lot & yes, an insert effect in the audio path loop would be cool

Shroomz~> · Post by **Shroomz~>** » Sat Jul 08, 2006 5:22 am

What about a resonant band-pass filter on the feedback line?

bosone · Post by **bosone** » Sat Jul 08, 2006 8:41 am

this device is almost exaclty what i was looking for... a sort of "boss loop station" for SFP!!!

THANKS!!!

anyway... would you accept some slight suggestions in order to improve the live-playability of this great device??

1) add a "bypass" switch, so that if i press this switch the incoming signal is not feeding the delay stage anymore!!!
this is because i'd like to first play a phrase to be looped (so the input go to the delay stage) and then press the switch (bypass the delay stage) and begin to improvise over this phrase! of course the improvisation should not be looped anymore!!! and by pressing again the switch, i would be able to add an overdub to the loop, and so on...

2) add a "clear loop" button!! if i understood well, the only way to "reset" the device is by setting the FB GAIN to zero and wait for a time equal to the delay set. if would be useful to do this task with the simple press of a button! (again, having in mind realtime-playability)... simply, when i press the button the FB GAIN is set to zero, when i release the button it is brought back to its original valuse (+6 dB).

these 2 switch must be midi-remote-controllable... in order to ensure the live capability of the device!!

3) for some unknow reason, whatever SFP device i choose, if i choose "midi clock" as "external" i have vey small fluctuations. this happens in also with modular... these problems make delays unusable with "external clock sources"... so, an important think in this device would be either to add an additional audio out with a build-in metronome, or add a midi out connection with the possibilty to send the clock signal to other devices (sequencer, modular...), in order to setup a metronome to play along this device... without a reliable metronome the device is almost completely useless for live playing!!

i missed the use of he knob in/mix/amp.... what is that supposed to do!?

anyway, this could be really a killer device for live playing and improvising.... i just began to imagine how to connect several LooPlay in parallel to different sound devices (drum machine, bass-station, guitar....), and route them to midicontrol and mixer in order to realtime control different live-performance...

thanks again... i hope to be clear in explaingin my ideas...

MCCY · Post by **MCCY** » Sat Jul 08, 2006 11:59 am

Bosone, I will do what I can. I'm having a break yesterday evening and today and going out ... I need your input - I started this device because of your thread, so I hope in the end it will perfectly ;o) suite your needs. Be sure, I have the same vision, using it live and all your ideas make sense.
I thought of a metronome too. I also thought about packing some "tracks" in one device, being able to switch to record them...
I'm learning so much working with sdk and I'm much faster in building the devices now.

Maybe this LOOP-lay will be a really good live-tool in some weeks. Tomorrow I will do some improvements, but then I will be gone for two weeks... But I hope we'll get a good version before I leave.

Let's work on thisone!

Martin

MCCY · Post by **MCCY** » Sun Jul 09, 2006 6:04 am

LOOP-lay 2 added. Maybe this will be the last version for 2 weeks. Haven't had too much time to test it, but it was fine to record some tracks of guitar with the L + R on/off switches.
I should add more independend LR-features in the future...

Ask your questions before I'm gone for next two weeks!

... and have fun!

Martin

P.S. remember: Envelope follower is for "pressing" the loop signal down, so that there is enough headroom for the newly played stuff. Playing with the Output-gain of Envelope-Follower to get the suiting settings is very important!

Press rec-button to record over the loop.
Loopon mutes the loop or makes it audible.

"in-mix" is for adjusting "record-level" for incoming stereo signal.
I changed some wired things here. It should be clearer and more effective now.

last "double"-button is for activating the second delay. So for long delay-times it HAS to be pressed. I forgot that, because I did not use slow tempi... If you're at 60bpm you should maybe use that last button first.

third output is for metronome

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bosone · Post by **bosone** » Sun Jul 09, 2006 6:22 am

thanks!!!!!
i am downloading it right now, the modifications are very OK!!!

you are great!!

MCCY · Post by **MCCY** » Sun Jul 09, 2006 6:47 am

Oh, I just found, that it is quite easy to add a clock out!!!!

DSP ADD!CT · Post by **DSP ADD!CT** » Sun Jul 09, 2006 8:41 am

Cheers MC, you're on fire lately with all these devs

Keep up the good work mate!

MCCY · Post by **MCCY** » Mon Jul 10, 2006 3:29 am

UPDATE: VERSION 3 can correctly sync to extern clock signals !

you can BPM sync multiple LOOP-lays by connecting them via MIDI now.

There's a hidden panel "BPM-trick" for fine-tunings now. It can be acessed by right clicking the device. Don't forget to use arrows on keyboard -> <- to fine-adjust "gain"-value.

btw. I changed the order of the "double" knobs. So now you should hit the left one first (enables a second delay-machine).

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at0m · Post by **at0m** » Mon Jul 10, 2006 5:40 am

Good work MC, cheers for this cutie

On 2006-07-08 06:19, Shroomz wrote:
an insert effect in the audio path loop would be cool

Problem is that as for now, without any inserts, sustain is 100%. Adding effects in the loop will disturb the feedback balance, which has catastrophic effect if you plan to keep a single loop for prolonged periods... Try it on my modular patch

MCCY · Post by **MCCY** » Mon Jul 10, 2006 6:05 am

Insert problems...
Yes, indeed, but I had much fun playing some chromatic-guitar-shit in the loop and then adding a stereo delay in the loop. I reduced the loop-gain to 5db and it was the total psycho killer...
It went over 30min. when I came back from breakfast and it was a very nice sounding chaos ... ;o))))

The insert is rather experimental stuff, right.

Martin