dynatube and reverb... opinions needed!

bosone · Post by **bosone** » Fri Jul 07, 2006 1:26 am

i am recording some distorted guitar (punk/metal/rock) for my band and i'm using dynatube.

i was thinking about adding or not reverb, and, if so, which kind of reverb in order to achieve the "best" results...

first of all: do you use reverb on disto guitars? which reverb? obviously, i am recording 2 guitar rhytm tracks and panpotting them L/R. i have not decided yet if the panpot shoul be full R / full L or something "near" full R / full L.

then, about reverb.

first question: reverb should or should not be used? i recevied different opinion about this!

initially, i though about using masterverb pro, and i came to the idea to take advantage of the source image processing to put the "L" guitar with the source image on the L, and the "R" guitar with the source image on the R, with the "virtual speaker" near the listener (to get a more direct sound", short decay and small room size.
but this would mean to use two separate masterverb pro on the two guitar tracks... i a have no infinite DSP!! but in priciple i can obtain a great "spatial" guitar track...

my second thought was to use just the early reflector device, just to add some ambience.

or i can use some vst reverb specifically designed for guitar sound, but in this case i dont' know which are the option and what reverb would work best...

do you have any experience in this field??
how do you work, in these case?

thanks!

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alfonso · Post by **alfonso** » Fri Jul 07, 2006 1:31 am

I never use reverb while recording(except for monitoring), if you have to edit the track you are in troubles.
The choice of the reverb is better done when you have a complete mix to be made and you make choices for the whole stuff.

bosone · Post by **bosone** » Fri Jul 07, 2006 1:41 am

On 2006-07-07 02:31, alfonso wrote:
I never use reverb while recording(except for monitoring), if you have to edit the track you are in troubles.
The choice of the reverb is better done when you have a complete mix to be made and you make choices for the whole stuff.

youare completely right,
but another problem of mine is DSP use...
i have the whole mix with distorted guitar tracks, but considering all the other tracks, i have no more DSP left for adding a creamware reverb on the guitar tracks (expecially the 2 masterverb pro option from above!)

moreover, at the point in which i am now, i have to re-shape the guitar sounds, finding a better distortion.
i thought about recording (mixdown) the entire song withouht the 2 disto rhytm guitar tracks (i have the also the "dry" guitars recorded), create another pulsar project and load all the device needed to remake the guitar sound starting from the original clean tracks: 2 vinco DT, 2 TQdrive, 2 dynatube, perhaps a psyq and (option?) the reverb (or the reverbs), in order to get almost the "final" sound recorded before returning to the "project" mix.

an option would be to record both the 2 dry distorted guitar tracks (wihtout reverb) and the reverb(s) on separate tracks, to be able to adjust reverb level during the mix....

and this option will leave me also free to choose a vst reverb...

but the original question (which reverb to use - or not to use any reverb - and how) remains!

Shroomz~> · Post by **Shroomz~>** » Fri Jul 07, 2006 1:45 am

I really like the Spring reverb on Guitar rig. It has a scarily lifelike quality which I personally find a lot of reverbs don't.

Alfonso is correct in saying that reverb is best applied after you have your multitrack. That way you can loop it over 16 bars or whatever & try lots of different reverb & panning settings plus whatever else.

astroman · Post by **astroman** » Fri Jul 07, 2006 1:58 am

On 2006-07-07 02:31, alfonso wrote:
I never use reverb while recording(except for monitoring), if you have to edit the track you are in troubles...

I don't quite agree - you play differently with the reverb on (the monitor), so you might want to retain the 'full' performance, but I'd also record the dry and even the ampsimmed signal on separate tracks - hd space is affordable.

the reverb itself is a matter of trial and error imho - the 'best one' doesn't necessarily fit best, as it's a rather complex interaction of sounds.

cheers, Tom
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bill3107 · Post by **bill3107** » Fri Jul 07, 2006 2:29 am

i use place reverb rather than instrument reverb, i mean i prefer to use presets that sound like studio, live, theater... rather than chose a guiter reverb preset. Thus, you can use one sole reverb for all your song!!! It is usefull mainly when you do not have enough dsp. And remember man that you can remove dynatube after the takes...

Furthermore we have a fantastic rooting tool thanks to creamware so i definitly would say that the better woould be 1) playaying with reverb monitoring 2)record only the dry guitars...

As for the sound of dynatube alone, i am a fan !! This plug kills ...