Hey.. i have been searching the forum.. and proably there are tons of posts that take on this issue. but still..
Today i am using sonar with asio scope.
My Scope project contains a STS2448 which are connected to 2x asio2 src. and 4x asio dest. I am actually not using too much scope effects or softsynhts at all (sts5000 sometimes).. instead i am loading my mixed down audiotracks in sonar with tons of vst/dx effects.. which makes my cpu run out quiet fast.. First of all i want to start using the scope effects more.. because of the good quality..and also to get a better habbit to use the dsp instead of cpu..
how do you route your audio through scope when you are using scope effects? one asio source for each audio channel/group? how do you mix down to the sequencer each track? how do you mix down through scope? record back to the sequencer by routing in the mixer?
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Egil
How do you use scope with your sequencer?
I use Cubase, but the routing should be the same.
I set all audio tracks to independent busses, I don't sum in Cubase. These busses can be enabled if the corresponding ASIO sources are loaded in Scope. I'm usually fine with 8-12 channels, you load as many as you need. For Cubase the best ASIO drivers are, i.m.o., the Flt. ones as Cubase works at 32 bit float.
In the 2448 stm mixer I route those audio channels plus the scope synths loaded, I keep everything in realtime as I have 34 dsp.
The Mix output of the mixer is recorded to Cubase again, when I finish the mix.
I set all audio tracks to independent busses, I don't sum in Cubase. These busses can be enabled if the corresponding ASIO sources are loaded in Scope. I'm usually fine with 8-12 channels, you load as many as you need. For Cubase the best ASIO drivers are, i.m.o., the Flt. ones as Cubase works at 32 bit float.
In the 2448 stm mixer I route those audio channels plus the scope synths loaded, I keep everything in realtime as I have 34 dsp.
The Mix output of the mixer is recorded to Cubase again, when I finish the mix.
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I usually use an 8x stereo ASIO source in my scope project (remember you can double click the asio source module to set the amount of channels) and then route my audio tracks from cubase via the busses to seperate channels on one the Scope STM mixers.
In the end i route it back into the sequencer via a single stereo asio destination cause i rarely record multiple tracks at once.
In the end i route it back into the sequencer via a single stereo asio destination cause i rarely record multiple tracks at once.
hmm.. i have thought of something simelar.. to use the scope for mixing.. instead of internal busses inside the audiosequencer.. i rarely recorde more then one track at the time my self..so that sounds reasonable with not that many inputs.
i have just used 2 in and out for one of my external effects.. and uses it as an insert right now.. and it works like a charm.. i love this system.
i have just used 2 in and out for one of my external effects.. and uses it as an insert right now.. and it works like a charm.. i love this system.
I've been using XTC-mode for quite some time now. I really get most out of my sharcs that way.
I've set up some busses (4? don't remember) that are eventually summed in a Switch-it module in the XTCproject.pro.
This way I can stem-mix through the hardware.
I use Tracktion 2 as a sequencer. It has a really cool and unlimited bussing architecture.
I've set up some busses (4? don't remember) that are eventually summed in a Switch-it module in the XTCproject.pro.
This way I can stem-mix through the hardware.
I use Tracktion 2 as a sequencer. It has a really cool and unlimited bussing architecture.
the same for meOn 2006-03-31 02:01, alfonso wrote:
I use Cubase, but the routing should be the same.
I set all audio tracks to independent busses, I don't sum in Cubase. These busses can be enabled if the corresponding ASIO sources are loaded in Scope. I'm usually fine with 8-12 channels, you load as many as you need. For Cubase the best ASIO drivers are, i.m.o., the Flt. ones as Cubase works at 32 bit float.
In the 2448 stm mixer I route those audio channels plus the scope synths loaded, I keep everything in realtime as I have 34 dsp.
The Mix output of the mixer is recorded to Cubase again, when I finish the mix.
yes, of course.
before opening traction, enable the proper number of asio i/o(right click on the asio source module). open traction. on each track, assign to the proper asio scope output. connect asio source module outs to whatever(effects, filters, mixer or adat i/o to run through external processors). enjoy.
when tracking, it'll likely be easier to leave everything going out 1l,1r as always. using multiple outs is likely to be best in mixing, but do as you see fit.
when using traction, it's a good idea to mute the track you're recording so that when you monitor the sound source on the scope mixer(do it this way!), you won't hear an echo(the asio delay). this will eliminate latency as an issue in your recording, EXCEPT for the asio delay on vst midi devices played within traction....
before opening traction, enable the proper number of asio i/o(right click on the asio source module). open traction. on each track, assign to the proper asio scope output. connect asio source module outs to whatever(effects, filters, mixer or adat i/o to run through external processors). enjoy.
when tracking, it'll likely be easier to leave everything going out 1l,1r as always. using multiple outs is likely to be best in mixing, but do as you see fit.
when using traction, it's a good idea to mute the track you're recording so that when you monitor the sound source on the scope mixer(do it this way!), you won't hear an echo(the asio delay). this will eliminate latency as an issue in your recording, EXCEPT for the asio delay on vst midi devices played within traction....
This is my XTC-project.
As you can see I have 7 stereo outputs going into the Switch-it/mixer (I don't know if this one is phase-compensated). These I have programed Tracktion 2 to see as busses.
I could thus group drums on bus 1 (1/2), guitars on bus 2 (3/4) etc.
The last ASIO outs go directly to D/A. I mainly use those for re-amping, if needed.
Also, I have a WaveDest into the Switch-it for monitoring of WaveLab while XTC-mode is launched.
I also run Tracktion 2 in 64-bit mode, just to keep maximum integrity of the internal summing.
The idea here is to sum on DSP which I believe to sound better in crowded mixes.
I haven't done any summing tests to see if this is a valid point though. I just remember the STM2448 sounding really good when I worked in SFP some time ago.
I feel XTC-mode is less hassle and more streamlined. At least when composing/recording. I don't want to think to much about routing then. Kills my creativity.
XTC-mode works very seamless when setup correctly, and I can load any SFP-plug I want from within Tracktion 2 using either the dll-trick or loading stuff in MultiFX devices.
As you can see I have 7 stereo outputs going into the Switch-it/mixer (I don't know if this one is phase-compensated). These I have programed Tracktion 2 to see as busses.
I could thus group drums on bus 1 (1/2), guitars on bus 2 (3/4) etc.
The last ASIO outs go directly to D/A. I mainly use those for re-amping, if needed.
Also, I have a WaveDest into the Switch-it for monitoring of WaveLab while XTC-mode is launched.
I also run Tracktion 2 in 64-bit mode, just to keep maximum integrity of the internal summing.
The idea here is to sum on DSP which I believe to sound better in crowded mixes.
I haven't done any summing tests to see if this is a valid point though. I just remember the STM2448 sounding really good when I worked in SFP some time ago.
I feel XTC-mode is less hassle and more streamlined. At least when composing/recording. I don't want to think to much about routing then. Kills my creativity.
XTC-mode works very seamless when setup correctly, and I can load any SFP-plug I want from within Tracktion 2 using either the dll-trick or loading stuff in MultiFX devices.
naw, there's very CREATIVE stuff that only the routing allows. not everything works in xtc mode. routing is simple if you follow the signal flow. i find xtc mode confining and limited, unnatural if you will...but then i come from the world of hardware....
i haven't ranted this particular rant for a while, so i'll say it again now. recording studios are run by ENGINEERS, like a train is run by an engineer. if you want to use a studio, you must either a)become an engineer to some extent or b)hire an engineer. knowing how gear works is not an affront to creativity. it is an aid. it is foolish to try to run the machine without learning how it works enough to feel comfortable(deadly with a train....). that is not fast food-feel good, but learning how a thing works FIRST leads to a long period of satisfaction. also it saves you from always needing something new that you don't understand either, in order to do something that what you already have does well....when all else fails, take you time, read the manual. scope is VERY easy. it is the easiest, most user freindly(with a couple of notable exceptions, mainly about the samplers) bit of software EVER. the whole package makes stuff that used to cost hundreds of thousands possible for a couple of thousand. better to learn how a real studio operates so as to take maximum advantage.
thanks for indulging the rant, it's just my opinion.
i haven't ranted this particular rant for a while, so i'll say it again now. recording studios are run by ENGINEERS, like a train is run by an engineer. if you want to use a studio, you must either a)become an engineer to some extent or b)hire an engineer. knowing how gear works is not an affront to creativity. it is an aid. it is foolish to try to run the machine without learning how it works enough to feel comfortable(deadly with a train....). that is not fast food-feel good, but learning how a thing works FIRST leads to a long period of satisfaction. also it saves you from always needing something new that you don't understand either, in order to do something that what you already have does well....when all else fails, take you time, read the manual. scope is VERY easy. it is the easiest, most user freindly(with a couple of notable exceptions, mainly about the samplers) bit of software EVER. the whole package makes stuff that used to cost hundreds of thousands possible for a couple of thousand. better to learn how a real studio operates so as to take maximum advantage.
thanks for indulging the rant, it's just my opinion.
This is what I have so far (don't use XTC). I use this for Tracktion and Logic (and occasionally Energy XT though I usually use that as a plugin in another host).
Looks complicated but I have several hardware synths and I want to have each on a different audio in and be able to route midi where I need it (using the midi switcher) and also combine inputs from my midi keyboard and phatboy - since I have 2 Scope cards (a Pulsar 2 and Luna) I have 2 analog ins and outs so I use those for my Korg Workstation and Nord G2, then another channel reserved for any Scope synth and then ASIO. Its the ASIO I get confused over though as with this setup even when I insert a Scope effect into the mixer when I'm playing a softsynth from inside my ASIO host the effect doesn't get recorded in Tracktion, only the sound from the softsynth, so I have to use VDAT to record the whole Scope mix - on the audio ins I can insert a Scope effect into one of the channel strips and that records fine though.
There must be an easier setup - I'd like to see more examples.
Looks complicated but I have several hardware synths and I want to have each on a different audio in and be able to route midi where I need it (using the midi switcher) and also combine inputs from my midi keyboard and phatboy - since I have 2 Scope cards (a Pulsar 2 and Luna) I have 2 analog ins and outs so I use those for my Korg Workstation and Nord G2, then another channel reserved for any Scope synth and then ASIO. Its the ASIO I get confused over though as with this setup even when I insert a Scope effect into the mixer when I'm playing a softsynth from inside my ASIO host the effect doesn't get recorded in Tracktion, only the sound from the softsynth, so I have to use VDAT to record the whole Scope mix - on the audio ins I can insert a Scope effect into one of the channel strips and that records fine though.
There must be an easier setup - I'd like to see more examples.
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this is my standard setup. Really simple: 8 stereo ASIO channels route audio from Cubase to the STM 1632. The Powersampler analog source is where I DI my electric guitar, the 4 channels of Z-Link are the four outputs of a Nord Rack.
The mixer output goes back to an ASIO destination for recording in Cubase, and the Z-Link destination where my amp and monitors are connected.
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garyb - a very worthy rant. IMHO this is the major problem with the industry today. Just because everyone has free access to the tools which would have cost insane money around 10-15 years ago, they expect to be able to use it immediately. And without reading any manuals.
It's a bit like buying a guitar and expecting to play like George Benson immediately.
Back on topic: I also use SFP mode. I find that the summing inside the Scope mixers sounds better than native mixing. And the routing is essential for my setup, which has a fair amount of nice hardware. Most importantly you don't get to use the Modular in XTC mode (well I believe with some messing about you can load individual patches but I can't imagine this being a fun way of using the Modular).
It's a bit like buying a guitar and expecting to play like George Benson immediately.
Back on topic: I also use SFP mode. I find that the summing inside the Scope mixers sounds better than native mixing. And the routing is essential for my setup, which has a fair amount of nice hardware. Most importantly you don't get to use the Modular in XTC mode (well I believe with some messing about you can load individual patches but I can't imagine this being a fun way of using the Modular).