Tip for quick Midi Control recall with new presets devices..

Bifop · Post by **Bifop** » Wed Dec 07, 2005 10:11 am

I was looking for a way of rapidly controlling my new Pro 12, B2003 & SB404.. and as usual, whith new preset devices, the ctrler assignment is to be reloaded manually at each plugin start. No way around it apparently.
I found a very simple way to do this now.

1) Program and store your ctrler assignment
2) Auto index the main preset menu and at least the first preset bank.
3) Move or delete preset 0 to another location/bank (if this one is full)
4 Copy this midi controller program to this first preset bank, replacing the preset 0.
5 Save the preset bank.

Now when loading one of these new devices, I just select the patch 0, bank 0 on my midi keyboard controller and I'm ready to roll !!!
No mousing around anymore...

Note : you could probably go faster and skip step one but I haven't tried and I reckon it's safer to have the midi ctrler preset separately stored.

[ This Message was edited by: Bifop on 2005-12-11 16:36 ]

erminardi · Post by **erminardi** » Wed Dec 07, 2005 10:43 am

Cool! =)
Thanks!

Chisel · Post by **Chisel** » Fri Dec 09, 2005 10:05 am

That's a great tip! I can't believe that there isn't a default setting. Maybe an undocumented feature? Wishful thinking..

Peace /
Chisel

ChampionSound · Post by **ChampionSound** » Fri Dec 09, 2005 10:21 am

Great Bifop! So the controller assignment will be saved with the preset? That would save lots of time!

Thumbs up!

cheers, Darce

Bifop · Post by **Bifop** » Fri Dec 09, 2005 11:30 am

On 2005-12-09 10:21, ChampionSound wrote:
Great Bifop! So the controller assignment will be saved with the preset? That would save lots of time!

Thumbs up!

cheers, Darce

Yes, It is saved with the preset bank.
The only thing you have to do is calling the preset 0 (or the one you assigned it to but 0 is convenient), on your keyboard then up to any one you want.
It is so simple that I thought it wouldn't work ! Midi ctrler presets and patch presets can be mixed apparently...

The Uknow doesn't like this trick in my system (doesn't produces sound afterward).

Chisel · Post by **Chisel** » Sat Dec 10, 2005 8:07 pm

I've had nothing but trouble with the MIDI controller assignments in SFP. I saved a preset for my UC-33e in B-2003 and when I load it in, I don't get any sound. Also, if I replace the first preset in the first bank, do I lose that preset? Also, is it wise to AutoIndex?

Bifop: Would it be too much trouble to post your preset file so I can how it was done?

Thanks,
Chisel

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Bifop · Post by **Bifop** » Sun Dec 11, 2005 4:19 pm

On 2005-12-10 20:07, Chisel wrote:
Also, if I replace the first preset in the first bank, do I lose that preset? Also, is it wise to AutoIndex?

Bifop: Would it be too much trouble to post your preset file so I can how it was done?

Yes you'll loose this preset, so it's better you move it prior to copying the controller preset.

Yes you HAVE to autoindex the main directory and the presets list to be able to use the midi preset recall feature.

I should have included this in the tip description. I'm going to edit my post.

Here is the Pro12 preset I've done for the remote 25 as a test (only a few controllers are mapped). Be sure to update the preset to your own controls.
http://djomusic.free.fr/Workshop/Misc/

I've got the disappering sound with the Uknow 007, not with the Pro12...

Bifop · Post by **Bifop** » Sun Dec 11, 2005 4:26 pm

Oops, I should have read better, it's the B2003 preset file you wanted.

Here it is : http://djomusic.free.fr/Workshop/Misc/B-2003.pre

Chisel · Post by **Chisel** » Mon Dec 12, 2005 2:28 pm

Thanks, Bifop! This works out great because I have Pro-12 also. Also, I have a Novation X-Station, so I can start with your preset and add on controls from there

Thanks for editing your instructions. I'll try to set this up from scratch with another plug-in.

Thanks again!

Peace /
Chisel

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MD69 · Post by **MD69** » Mon Dec 12, 2005 2:32 pm

Hi Chisel,

The novation have an editor to create template for controler assignment. It's better you check which controler is assigned in the preset, and assign this CC number to the physical controler and give to the template the Pro 12 name.

Chisel · Post by **Chisel** » Mon Dec 12, 2005 8:24 pm

Thanks. I've actually created templates before. The part I was having trouble with is having the SFP midi controller settings load automatically, which Bifop has helped me out with by using his clever workaround.

Peace /
Chisel

Chisel · Post by **Chisel** » Thu Dec 15, 2005 11:20 pm

Bifop,

Have you ever successfully saved the MIDI controller mappings to any switches or main volume level in any of your plug-ins? I've noticed a defect where none of the switches or main volume levels that I map get saved with the preset. It's quite annoying.

Thanks,
Chisel

Bifop · Post by **Bifop** » Fri Dec 16, 2005 6:30 am

Hi Chisel,
It seems there is a nasty bug in the midi ctrl. I too can't finish the implementation. I'm at about 3/4 of the mapping on the Minimax, the Profit etc... Then it doesn't remember the new parameters.... ???
WTF !!!
I can't believe nobody has seen it yet !
It might be a new bug. Otherwise I'd really wonder what all these users are doing with their cards....
I found a few other bugs as well (the midi preset can't remember certain type of messages).
I'm not expecting an answer but I'll write to them as well.

PS: A little rant. I've posted a few tips here and the XTC section. Seing the little replies and interest it sparkled, I definitely think that a huge part of Planetz posters are more on the contemplation of their setups than fully working musos or passionate explorers.

That's maybe the nature of the internet. Take and run.
Ciao Chisel.

Bifop · Post by **Bifop** » Fri Dec 16, 2005 6:43 am

Chisel, I forgot : the switches never get remembered. I thought I had a few of them working, but I've just checked, they are all forgotten today.... Main volume as well.

I was so glad I found a way of bringing back the preset windows on front yesterday. Not working anymore.

Ahem, CW, you've got a lot of fixing to do before you guys leave to the Bahamas...

Chisel · Post by **Chisel** » Fri Dec 16, 2005 7:10 am

On 2005-12-16 06:43, Bifop wrote:
Chisel, I forgot : the switches never get remembered.

Yes this a defect alright. I started another thread on the Problem Solving forum asking if anyone else has encountered this. Seems like Creamware doesn't save switches or main volume level mappings. What if you mapped a rotary knob on your controller to the switch on the synth? Does it retain that setting? This will tell us whether it's on the controller side or software side.

Peace /
Chisel

Bifop · Post by **Bifop** » Fri Dec 16, 2005 7:52 am

Same with a knob assigned to a switch. It IS a software problem.
The remote 25 added to the tip listed here really rocks with the Pulsar. A pity bugs like this comes to ruin the party.

Another tip for you Chisel : you can assign one of the transport button (ie) to the prg chg where you stored the remote 25, this way you don't loose the up/down arrow position.Lets say you're browsing preset 47 upward and need to select bank 0, patch 0 for the ctrler. Press the assigned button and continue browsing presets 48,49...etc....).

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Chisel · Post by **Chisel** » Fri Dec 16, 2005 11:17 am

I was thinking.. If you can save a MIDI controller preset along side an instrument preset (which you proved when saving your MIDI controller preset into Bank 0, Preset 0), then is it possible to store the MIDI controller mappings in the SAME preset as the instrument settings? If that's the case, then maybe it's possible to save the MIDI Controller mappings in the default preset that loads when you load the plug-in. How does it figure that default preset anyway? BTW, the preset I'm referring to is INSIDE the preset file, not the actual preset file (.pre). Man, they make it confusing by calling both entities by the same name!

Peace /
Chisel

Bifop · Post by **Bifop** » Fri Dec 16, 2005 3:22 pm

Yes it's a bit confusing.
But if you pull the bottom preset panel lane, you'll see the information panel. Here you can see specified the program type. But I'm going to try to mix both now, and since the cure for the Minimax is here, everything should go well at least for the minimax.

I'll put the remote 25 presets later for download in my webspace for sharing sake...

Chisel · Post by **Chisel** » Fri Dec 16, 2005 4:07 pm

I appreciate that, Bifop. I created a complete Minimax template on my X-Station. If the fix works, I'll be able to control the Minimax from the X-Station without even having my computer monitor on

Likewise, I'll share my template with you.

Peace /
Chisel

dawman · Post by **dawman** » Sun Dec 18, 2005 6:00 am

A very good tip indeed. I've always had trouble storing B2003 movements on my KS 88 Pro while it was in drawbar mode. Not that big of a deal in the studio, but live, it was a pain in the arse. Pushing up ( reverse mode ) to restart, and zero out drawbars was the work around. Now wherever the position of the drawbar is, I simply pull it out and use my ears. This was a good tip also, for I managed to put the 3 stops I wanted on one fader of the control surface! Easier than the real B3/C3 drawbars. Life just keeps getting better all the time in the DSP world.