Let me understand about Pro-12 & proTone...

erminardi · Post by **erminardi** » Sat Dec 03, 2005 7:52 am

Hey, I'm a bit confused with all those version!

What's the difference between:
- Pro-12
- Pro Tone
- Pro One
- Pro Five
&... Pro-lix?

If I have Pro-12 do I need one of any other or are them just duplicates or spin-off?
Thanks!

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MD69 · Post by **MD69** » Sat Dec 03, 2005 8:25 am

Pro 12 <=> Profit Five (or Pro five if you want)
Pro Tone <=> Pro One

Just renames

Shroomz~> · Post by **Shroomz~>** » Sat Dec 03, 2005 8:48 am

Pro-12 can obviously be directly compared to Pro-5. They should be *very* similar synths with the main addition of more poly to the 12.

Pro-One & Pro-Tone as MD69 says are essentially the same, just re-named.

What I'd really like to know is if the Pro-12 was 'ported' to Scope 4/4.5 or if Scope 4/4.5 has been 'ported' to run on both current & next gen' HW (200 mhz DSPs) to allow the use of the new Pro-12 & other 'future developements'. That's the big question for me, but probably too premature & somewhat of an awkward question ATM.

MD69 · Post by **MD69** » Sat Dec 03, 2005 8:50 am

I think Pro 12 and Profit Five are the same (or an upgrade) as I bought Profit five, and my licence is now Pro 12 (I have not updated yet)

erminardi · Post by **erminardi** » Sat Dec 03, 2005 9:00 am

Ok, But ProTone sound different from Pro-12 or is simply his scaled version?
I don't know why the Creamware site say that ProTone "...can be considered Profit-5’s little brother." and costs same price!
What's the difference? EFX? Overall sound? Poliphony (thats is absurd because the poliphony is dependant from the Pulsar and not from the device...)?

Why, if I have Pro-12 I must buy ProTone?
And why if I will buy a synth I must take ProTone (a scaled down Pro-12) for 198 bucks instead Pro-12 (same price)?

Help, this question makes me crazy!

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MD69 · Post by **MD69** » Sat Dec 03, 2005 9:06 am

Pro Tone come from Pro One (linked to John Bowen Pro solo I think). It refer to an emulation of the real Pro One from seq. circ.
You have difference (integrated arpeg, modulation, etc)

Liquid Len · Post by **Liquid Len** » Sat Dec 03, 2005 9:08 am

On 2005-12-03 09:00, erminardi wrote:
Ok, But ProTone sound different from Pro-12 or is simply his scaled version?
I don't know why the Creamware site say that ProTone "...can be considered Profit-5’s little brother." and costs same price!

These are both synths, one modelled after the Pro-One and one modelled after the Prophet-5. As I'm sure you know, these were keyboards made by a company called Sequential Circuits back in the late 70s. The Pro-One is a scaled down, low budget version of the Prophet 5 using pretty well the same technology, but they did sound a bit different. And the emulations of both show just how different. Possibly the differences are so small that you'd only need one or the other, as you say, polyphony is not an issue anymore. The Pro-One was lower cost because it was monophonic (no longer an issue) and the Prophet-5 had the latest innovation back then, namely PRESETS (also no longer an issue).

This is just my opinion on how they sound. The Pro-One sound is a bit brasher, cruder, great for lead lines and bass lines. The Prophet 5 is smoother and more musical sounding (though also great for lead and bass). Also, the Prophet 5 has UNISON mode, which lets you stack several voices on top of each other to get a thicker, uniquely detuned, sound. To do the same with the Pro-One you'd need multiple copies.

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erminardi · Post by **erminardi** » Sat Dec 03, 2005 9:16 am

Oh, thanks!

Sorry for my ignorance about the real synths

Shroomz~> · Post by **Shroomz~>** » Sat Dec 03, 2005 9:36 am

Just to clarify for you even further eminardi

The original Pro-One's Cem based OSC's & Filter use the same 'Cem' chip designs as found in the Prophet-5. The major difference in the synth architecture is the modulation routing. The significantly different Mod routings combined with poly & unison/stack are what separates them sonically.

To sum up, you'll be able to create most Pro-One sounds on a Prophet. The same cannot be said in reverse. The Prophet-5 is capable of sounds unachievable with a Pro-One. We have an original Pro-One & a very close friend has a Prophet-5 & i can assure you that the synths although similar, are very different indeed. The Prrophet-5 undoughtedly being the daddy

John Bowen would be able to explain in *a lot* more detail due to his background in developing both the originals & the CW emulations.

kybernaut_01 · Post by **kybernaut_01** » Sun Dec 04, 2005 3:54 am

Maybe not enough pointed out:

Pro~One and Pro~12 are pretty different in sound! The first is modeled on the CEM circuitry (as Shrooms said) but the latter is modeled after the SSM osc and filter chips of a Rev2 Prophet-5.

To me, both are very very good sounding VA synths! Pro~One is a bit more brilliant and clean sounding. Pro~12 is generally darker and can be driven into filter saturation. Generally the filter sounds much different.

Either way, I absolutely love them both :-8