i have bought all of creamwares extra synths and effects.
i have scope pro 14+scope pulsar2.
i will consider 4.5 a serious step if it resolves creamwares problems.
the biggest problem for me is 96khz instability.
does 4.5 makes any improvement to this?
if not then i think that the commercials should report scope platform as a 44.1 to 48khz system.
not!! 96khz system.
scope 4.5
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cannonball
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Pfft...
This may sound harsh already..
But this is treully a pathetic way to make you BUY their packages.
Every new package they raise the version number...how weird...
Havnt seen any bugfixes, or new features.
They call it v4.5 Upgrade? I call it "Buy our additional packages for 98Euros...think of it as an update...no think of it as v4.5"
Ive read that people wrote that this kind of move by cwa shows at least an involvment in the company....
Hmm...WHAT?! What are they talking about!? What ?! This seem to be another marketing move only like previously seen by releasing v4.0 (New CWA Logo and Catalogs) - Just another desperate move by a dieing company i'm afraid. There are no new features/bugfixes...forget it.
If there were such, we would have known about 'em.
I can see why many old customers like myself can whine about not seeing any major upgrade to the software itself.
At least there's a bright side yet...
As a Luna II user, i get pretty much a good chance to have most of the plugins and mixers now. Yet, frankly i think that 98euros is pretty rough for a so called "upgrade".. If you ask me, the old package deals are expensive either so thats no basis to make a comparison to me.
But that's just me..
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This may sound harsh already..
But this is treully a pathetic way to make you BUY their packages.
Every new package they raise the version number...how weird...
Havnt seen any bugfixes, or new features.
They call it v4.5 Upgrade? I call it "Buy our additional packages for 98Euros...think of it as an update...no think of it as v4.5"
Ive read that people wrote that this kind of move by cwa shows at least an involvment in the company....
Hmm...WHAT?! What are they talking about!? What ?! This seem to be another marketing move only like previously seen by releasing v4.0 (New CWA Logo and Catalogs) - Just another desperate move by a dieing company i'm afraid. There are no new features/bugfixes...forget it.
If there were such, we would have known about 'em.
I can see why many old customers like myself can whine about not seeing any major upgrade to the software itself.
At least there's a bright side yet...
As a Luna II user, i get pretty much a good chance to have most of the plugins and mixers now. Yet, frankly i think that 98euros is pretty rough for a so called "upgrade".. If you ask me, the old package deals are expensive either so thats no basis to make a comparison to me.
But that's just me..
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One more thing to focus on the issue.
I think that many have been waiting for some time for fixes and finally new features/improvments in the software side.
Some suffer from serious issues that require bugfixes and they had some kind of hope that its just a matter of time so they had to wait.
Instead they just got another marketing deal as the new upgrade for scope platform. Seems kinda hopelss.
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I think that many have been waiting for some time for fixes and finally new features/improvments in the software side.
Some suffer from serious issues that require bugfixes and they had some kind of hope that its just a matter of time so they had to wait.
Instead they just got another marketing deal as the new upgrade for scope platform. Seems kinda hopelss.
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as an old customer you may have forgotten - distracted by your amazing predictions(?) - that this version number identifies the licences valid for a specfic board.
4.5 may not mean too much for your bright mind, but for your f*ck*ng old card it means that it qualifies to run a dozen or more devices that were out of reach before.
So there even IS a reason to call this upgrade, but please do me a favour:
what IS this driver update thingy ?
what does this scope driver refuse to do that prevents an effective use of the system ?
what are those mysterious features I lack ?
curious, Tom
4.5 may not mean too much for your bright mind, but for your f*ck*ng old card it means that it qualifies to run a dozen or more devices that were out of reach before.
So there even IS a reason to call this upgrade, but please do me a favour:
what IS this driver update thingy ?
what does this scope driver refuse to do that prevents an effective use of the system ?
what are those mysterious features I lack ?
curious, Tom
Whats with the attitude? NERD!On 2005-12-01 04:14, astroman wrote:
as an old customer you may have forgotten - distracted by your amazing predictions(?) - that this version number identifies the licences valid for a specfic board.
4.5 may not mean too much for your bright mind, but for your f*ck*ng old card it means that it qualifies to run a dozen or more devices that were out of reach before.
So there even IS a reason to call this upgrade, but please do me a favour:
what IS this driver update thingy ?
what does this scope driver refuse to do that prevents an effective use of the system ?
what are those mysterious features I lack ?
curious, Tom
You seem to defend cwa about almost everything. What i wrote was my opinion and my point of view at the issue.
Improvments?
- GUI Optimizations (Performance wise)
- Rewrite Multiclient ASIO drivers.
- WinXP 64 bit edition drivers.
- BUG: Sometimes scope dissapears when opened with other applications
- Enhance sfp menus (everytime you close the project it asks you if you wish to save, even if you hanvt done anything in the project...pretty annoying when restarting the machine).
- Can suerly add the 96Khz issue ppl above mentioned.
- Poor OSX users, still waiting for a driver.
- BUG: BSOD when when playing & stopping a movie with AC3 content thru S/PDIF (tested on winxp/2k on different machines - scope.sys issue).
- WDM Driver - There are two more internal releases of that driver that try to solve the clicks occur during a playback of short wav files in windows. When this will be solved?
- One more thing, A Situation i had myself with my PDA device. Had Microsoft ActiveSync installed, and for some reason one of scope DLLs in the win sys folder was overwritten with the Activesync one and caused problems.
I was managed to find out about it in here.
Perhaps, Change the DLL filename so there wont be any conflict? Right now i cant connect my PDA device and use it with this machine.
Isnt that enough? What else do you want astroman ? Why are you ATTACKING me? ah?
What did I do to you?
Noone is perfect and every audio company will have flaws, true. But if we will ignore the flaws with blind eyes then we will never be able to make it better.
I tried to email cwa twice for ideas for improvments. Never got a reply
astroman, you are talking about the version figure...well yes its a figure. They name it scope v4.5 so i except for new things to pop up regarding the SOFTWARE not the package. I could always purchase the additional packs if i wanted..
And please, stop making this reply as a startpoint for a struggle.
Regardless of what you think, there are others who think differently and its everyone's god d*mn given right.
Peace, Gary.
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96khz fix.
maybe some fixes like pot movement 1 jump and 1634mixer scratch of channel sliders.
also less need for system to shut down sometimes.
....i think
anyway i allready bought 4.5, the only thing i do not know is how am i going to get the cdrom, or is it only download?
i don't need the extras because i belong to the guys that have allready bought the extras but i want to see myself 4.5
maybe it is better.
creamware did not say that there is only plugins. so perhaps there is some improvements. i hope so.
maybe some fixes like pot movement 1 jump and 1634mixer scratch of channel sliders.
also less need for system to shut down sometimes.
....i think
anyway i allready bought 4.5, the only thing i do not know is how am i going to get the cdrom, or is it only download?
i don't need the extras because i belong to the guys that have allready bought the extras but i want to see myself 4.5
maybe it is better.
creamware did not say that there is only plugins. so perhaps there is some improvements. i hope so.
Tripact - I think it was you who started with the attitude (scroll up and read with some perspective).
You make some valid points for bugfixes (I can't agree with them all - things like AC3 movies and PDA sync software has no place on a DAW IMHO), but surely you can see that this effort for revenue from CW is vital if we're going to see any functionality updates and bugfixes? Can you not understand this?
There's really nothing to force you to pay them for this deal... but if you did, you'd be helping to invest money into the cards' future. But from the sound of it (and your childish rants in the #scope channel) you've already made up your mind to sell your cards, no?
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You make some valid points for bugfixes (I can't agree with them all - things like AC3 movies and PDA sync software has no place on a DAW IMHO), but surely you can see that this effort for revenue from CW is vital if we're going to see any functionality updates and bugfixes? Can you not understand this?
There's really nothing to force you to pay them for this deal... but if you did, you'd be helping to invest money into the cards' future. But from the sound of it (and your childish rants in the #scope channel) you've already made up your mind to sell your cards, no?
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Well, its not only me who's havin those bugs.
Secondly, everyone can do whatever he wants with his DAW. Right now i'm on a low budget and i dont use my computre for DAW purposes only, i cannot afford an additional computer right now. Repairing these minor bugs doesnt seem to ask too much from the company side...i beleive.
About selling the card? Yeah..perhaps in the near future i'll finally do so. But i think that the ASB boxes are really great. perhaps i'll still have a cwa product afterall
but it wont be the soundcard
About what i wrote earlier... My point was understanding the company. I'm well aware of the economic situation. I know that paying for the upgrade helps the company.
I just think i'll stick with my v4.0 for a while.
I didnt "start" anything and i'm not childerish. Just read about what was said in 4.5 topics and also in here and thought to tell my point of view as well as this is a public forum and its everybody's freedom to express himself. Astroman may not like me but he should not have used those words he used. I hoped that we could settle and have a nice conversation in here.
I just wish that things were better now.About #scope , i wont talk about it in here. Too bad you even mentioning it.
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Secondly, everyone can do whatever he wants with his DAW. Right now i'm on a low budget and i dont use my computre for DAW purposes only, i cannot afford an additional computer right now. Repairing these minor bugs doesnt seem to ask too much from the company side...i beleive.
About selling the card? Yeah..perhaps in the near future i'll finally do so. But i think that the ASB boxes are really great. perhaps i'll still have a cwa product afterall
but it wont be the soundcard About what i wrote earlier... My point was understanding the company. I'm well aware of the economic situation. I know that paying for the upgrade helps the company.
I just think i'll stick with my v4.0 for a while.
I didnt "start" anything and i'm not childerish. Just read about what was said in 4.5 topics and also in here and thought to tell my point of view as well as this is a public forum and its everybody's freedom to express himself. Astroman may not like me but he should not have used those words he used. I hoped that we could settle and have a nice conversation in here.
I just wish that things were better now.About #scope , i wont talk about it in here. Too bad you even mentioning it.
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cannonball
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well, the first point has already been mentioned and it was that expressionOn 2005-12-01 05:15, TripACT wrote:
...I didnt "start" anything and i'm not childerish. ...
...Astroman may not like me but he should not have used those words he used. ...
that made me add those two sarcastic comments.Hmm...WHAT?! What are they talking about!? What ?!
I wouldn't consider the first one offensive at all and a 'f*ck*ng card' isn't personal either. Dunno how you can feel 'attacked'...
anyway, the 2nd point is bare nonsense - I do not even know you and surely would appreciate an opinion different from my own much more than a confirmation. It makes thing more interesting.
- your points
/ my points
- GUI Optimizations (Performance wise)
/ impossible as they don't own wxwidgets (the gui lib)
- Rewrite Multiclient ASIO drivers.
/ according to what has been explained here there are NO such drivers at all in the context* it's usually requested.
* means asio1+2 cubase, asio 3+4 logic, asio 4+5 soundforge or whatever
- WinXP 64 bit edition drivers.
/ a questionable advantage for Sonar users (?), but else ?
- BUG: Sometimes scope dissapears when opened with other applications
/ could be the OS as well, couldn't it ?
- Enhance sfp menus (everytime you close the project it asks you if you wish to save, even if you hanvt done anything in the project...pretty annoying when restarting the machine).
/ I agree with the annoyance factor and the senseless dialog, but it's not exactly in the way of something
- Can suerly add the 96Khz issue ppl above mentioned.
/ agreed, the system does not qualify for 96k when driven to the max with arbitrary project setup and complexity.
You cannot have all simultaneously, but that's the case in pretty much every system.
Yet the soundquality doesn't exactly suffer in SFP's 'regular' processing and it's possible to include task-dependant 96k data.
On a Luna it's nonsense (except write it to disk)
- Poor OSX users, still waiting for a driver.
/ they don't wait for a driver, but for a port of the application. In the meantime (of the waiting) Apple has released 3 different versions of OSX...
There are other companies as well who have a painful lack of Mac OSX developers.
- BUG: BSOD when when playing & stopping a movie with AC3 content thru S/PDIF (tested on winxp/2k on different machines - scope.sys issue).
/ if this is a core application for a $1k audio processing card then I've missed something. OK, no sarcasm - but even if Windows tells you it happened in Scope.sys that does not mean the bug (if any) has the same location. The movie player reading the drive could just mess the packets and 'boom' scope.sys crashes.
- WDM Driver - There are two more internal releases of that driver that try to solve the clicks occur during a playback of short wav files in windows. When this will be solved?
/ again I do not consider this a core feature of a studio card, but I respect your wish to have the feature.
the question in such situations (for the releasing company) is: will it pay back the effort ? Will we sell more cards ? Does it keep business profitable ? Can we afford it ?
- One more thing, A Situation i had myself with my PDA device. Had Microsoft ActiveSync installed, and for some reason one of scope DLLs in the win sys folder was overwritten with the Activesync one and caused problems.
/ better don't ask about my opinion about ANY quality issues of M$Software or Win in particular...
you do not want to blame Scope for being the victim of Activesync ?
honestly, there are points to improve, but showstoppers ?
cheers, Tom
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Yes there are bug fixes that need addressing and some valid points here, but i'm sorry
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is a stupid way to begin a post. Do CW have a gun to your head? No-one is making you buy these packages. i think in hindsight CW shouldn't have bothered with these packs as it's just caused a lot of angry people to come out of the woodwork, i'm sure they won't bother in the future.But this is treully a pathetic way to make you BUY their packages.
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hubird
@ Bifob, he's just placing things in perspective...
But why would we discuss all these known little annoyancies (for some) at the moment we should celebrate the current Christmas offer??
Just because CWA named the new bundle 4.5??
Don't make me laugh, CWA is a sound company, not a secretarian or whatever
If you get a present on your birthday, are you starting to whine about your somehow old shoes you have??
I'm happy, as soon as I know what I will get I'll press the button...
cheers
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But why would we discuss all these known little annoyancies (for some) at the moment we should celebrate the current Christmas offer??
Just because CWA named the new bundle 4.5??
Don't make me laugh, CWA is a sound company, not a secretarian or whatever
If you get a present on your birthday, are you starting to whine about your somehow old shoes you have??
I'm happy, as soon as I know what I will get I'll press the button...
cheers
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I see absolutely no reason why people shouldn't be able to voice the opinion that they'd rather see bug fixes than a new bundle, without mindless defense of the platform. Why defend the platform & debate the worthiness of fixing certain bugs people have encountered. Fair enough, if it's not a bug don't fix it, but to defend bugs that probably could & probably should be fixed has got to be madness. Although, I must say that choosing your words carefully around here in order to avoid or start a barny is an artform itself.