A bit dissapointed with the new 4.5 bundle

Basic Pitch · Post by **Basic Pitch** » Tue Nov 29, 2005 12:43 pm

Greetings all,

Well after reading the new 4.5 version which seemingly does not say a thing about any update to the actual software its self, makes me think this is just a bundle package of sorts.

Here is what bothers me:

They have a base package, if you have a ScopePro or SnS or both you get "x" amount of plugs for free, sounds great, but what about those of us who supported CW when they released the Profit5 no so long ago?

I already own, Profit5, Interpole, Poison, so all I get out of the deal is the new SBC device and B2003, I dont know about the SBC, but atleast B2003 would be a welcome addition to my set up.

What I wish they had was a system like what NI offers, instead of charging me again for plugs I already own and paid for by supporting CW's efforts when they released these devices, they should take into account that I already own 3 out of the 5 plugs they are throwing in for free and charge a discounted rate since all I am getting is 2 of the plugs.

By charging me the full introductory price I feel like I am paying twice for something I already own.

Now.. This is a spectacular offer if you do not own any of the mentioned plugs, but for those who do own then, this really is not such a great deal. I could see if their was stated enhancements to the actual SFP software but this just seems like a version upgrade to bundle more plugs into a sales promotion.

Sorry to sound a bit disgruntled, but surely some of what I am saying makes a bit of sense?

Cheers!

Basic Pitch · Post by **Basic Pitch** » Tue Nov 29, 2005 12:49 pm

I should add one thing

If they wanted to throw in Six String at a reduced price that would make me change my mind quickly and stand up an applaud CW hehe.

BTW... Post 600

Cheers!

steffensen · Post by **steffensen** » Tue Nov 29, 2005 1:13 pm

hey man, i feel the same way here. dunno why they call it an update really.. or have i missed something?

Post by **Guest** » Tue Nov 29, 2005 1:39 pm

SBC device and B2003

if you buy these seperately you will spend more than 98 EURO. You are still getting a deal.

B2003 alone is sold for 198 Euro.
look at the positive side.

it was only few months ago that I paid about $240 for the B2003. I don't feel bad I used the device and enjoy it.

dubcotics · Post by **dubcotics** » Tue Nov 29, 2005 1:46 pm

previously by Basic Pitch

"If they wanted to throw in Six String at a reduced price that would make me change my mind quickly and stand up an applaud CW hehe."

Right on !!! That's what I've been expecting,
a baragain like a price cut on any plug-in, something which I was saving money for,

cheers,

didier

virtualstudio · Post by **virtualstudio** » Tue Nov 29, 2005 2:03 pm

for me its only the SBC device (I payed a lot for those devices, and also for the boards but that how it works with High-Tech stuff If you want to be there in the beginning you pay a lot more.) but what I wonder I have I have six creamware boards do I have to buy it for each board? at least for each seperate system one, I think.

for the rest I'm alwqays exited about software upgrades, so I wont start wining about money I payed for devices others get for free I hope bugs are fixed like from minimax and STS sampler

[ This Message was edited by: virtualstudio on 2005-11-29 14:04 ]

djmicron · Post by **djmicron** » Tue Nov 29, 2005 2:05 pm

i think, for those who have purchased many of the plugins included in the 4.5 offer, creamware should include the remaining plugins, such as six string, prodissey etc.
I'm an old customer and i've bought everything from the creamware shop and paid my pulsar and my first scope srb at the 1999 price

I hope in creamware's good sense.

Post by **garyb** » Tue Nov 29, 2005 2:18 pm

if you get the sbc device and the extra mixers you win regardless. if you don't need them, then there's no need to do anything.

symbiote · Post by **symbiote** » Tue Nov 29, 2005 2:35 pm

If you don't like it, just put your money somewhere else. Simple as that. At the very least, contact them directly to try and arrange something, as posting here it a bit pointless, or at the very least not as efficient as contacting them.

steffensen · Post by **steffensen** » Tue Nov 29, 2005 3:23 pm

good points. im all for it, if this brings in some more greens into the pockets of CW. im channelizing my money on a DSP booster instead tho.

[ This Message was edited by: steffensen on 2005-11-29 15:23 ]

Post by **Guest** » Tue Nov 29, 2005 3:27 pm

the new device the SBC is 149 Euro.
is there a deal if you have everything except this new device? I see a 51 Euro discount.

Post by **irrelevance** » Tue Nov 29, 2005 3:34 pm

On 2005-11-29 13:39, antar wrote:
SBC device and B2003

if you buy these seperately you will spend more than 98 EURO. You are still getting a deal.

B2003 alone is sold for 198 Euro.
look at the positive side.

Agreed
I had my credit card in hand last week ready to purchase B2003 but something told me to hold off and wait, maybe for cut price deals. But this package gets me three new devices for less than half the price.

it was only few months ago that I paid about $240 for the B2003. I don't feel bad I used the device and enjoy it.

Again this happens all the time not just with technology. I bought a new phone through from my provider and a week later they offered a half price tariff deal with 500 free texts

It burns but then a week earlier I very happy with the purchase so...

Post by **Guest** » Tue Nov 29, 2005 4:10 pm

that is the spirit.

Basic Pitch · Post by **Basic Pitch** » Tue Nov 29, 2005 5:12 pm

Dont get me wrong here guys,

I am happy to see CW alive and trying to do something positive, and for many this is an extremely attractive deal! There is no doubt about it, if you do not have the mentioned plugs, this is an extremely good offer.

Clearly 98EU - 116US is not a big amount of money to be spent, but I just wish they took into account those who already own some if not most of the plugs offered.

Lets say for example that there is some fixes the the SFP application and if you own most of the apps now bundled, this means your paying twice for apps you already bought from CW just to get the fixes.

I dont know, its not a big deal, just would be cool if they offered the package a few different ways, just the same as how NI does with their Komplet packages, it goes based on how many of the plugs you already own, which then determines the cost of the suit.

Just a thought, hope no one takes my mini ranting here personally.

Also as far as contacting CW directly, I guess I could but that but, we all know the limited staff situation so who knows. I think my point of posting was just to blow steam and discuss with the fellow Z's...

Cheers!

Post by **hubird** » Tue Nov 29, 2005 5:28 pm

BP I agree with you, the way it now works, is that the real investors won't profit of the offer, at least they profit the least

This effect is included in the offer, so I could call this not very galant of CWA to them.
Off course, this way CWA gets the biggest response, as the adventage is bigger as less as you have.

I think they still have to keep things simple...

[ This Message was edited by: hubird on 2005-11-29 17:29 ]

symbiote · Post by **symbiote** » Tue Nov 29, 2005 5:29 pm

Agreed, but as there seems to be a couple new plugins included (SBC, TubeDrive, etc.) you can't really lose, even if you have most of the other newly included plugins.

You should still consider contacting them, the bit of customer feedback can't hurt, and if enough people contact them about this, there's more chance they'll think about it whenever they do a promotion next and/or work into making promotions more flexible. They've already done the 50%-on-selected-plugins thing with Scope 4, so they seem to be working this way slowly anyway. Don't lose hope just yet =P

Post by **hubird** » Tue Nov 29, 2005 5:30 pm

still it should be clear.....

Crickstone · Post by **Crickstone** » Tue Nov 29, 2005 7:27 pm

I think that the fact that Creamware is fighting back is something to celebrate. I for one would gladly contribute 98 Euros to help see the company prosper. But as I calculate it I'm getting almost everything I need and saving 400 Euros. Yes a couple of things I already have and yes I bought something a couple of months ago that is now in the upgrade...but for my money I think that this really a great attempt to keep us all interested in Creamware while they forge a new market with the ASBs. We would all love to see Creamware develop and prosper and offer new and exciting things but at the same time we feel priveleged to be "in the know" and have a set-up that others dream of. A catch-22. So my hats off to Creamware for trying and knowing that they can't satisfy everyone, but then again if they did they wouldn't have developed the amazing products that they have, they would have just followed the pack...just my two cents worth. I have my credit card ready to go...just press send.

Post by **hubird** » Tue Nov 29, 2005 8:01 pm

still it would.....

Post by **garyb** » Tue Nov 29, 2005 8:44 pm

i wouldn't expect any major or even obvious noticable improvements as they weren't specified. luckily, there are few bugs. this is not v5.0, more a revision in the package. older users who want any of the newly included devices can get them for a reduced price. the longer you've held out buying these devices, the happier with the deal you are it's true, but you don't have to do the upgrade either. also, those with scope homes will be much happier than those with scope professionals, it's the nature of this type of upgrade....as hubird suggested, this has to be kept simple. this is not a "get all the rest of the plugins thing" nessessarily, rather a repackage...notice that some things are in synth and sampler that were once not and somethings that were in are now part of the main package. if you only want the new spectral balance(as i remember) device, you can buy it for 149Euro....it's cheaper to do the upgrade. whether or not you will like the device is still yet to be seen, but cwa has done pretty well in the past....maybe this will cool the rumors that there is no new developement...maybe not, as some really like to hate

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you don't lose anything, you don't HAVE to do the upgrade. if you choose to upgrade you most likely WILL get some nice new devices at a reduced price...

there are a LOT of things in the computer world that are going to change in a big way, the current architecture is not going much further. on the other hand, the current architecture hasn't been exploited properly yet and it works pretty darn well. as it is finally optimised before the next wave takes us, this is still the best, most cost effecient alternative for music production. we have a few more years before this gear is "ancient" and the company is alive, be happy.

i know i'm not cwa, but that's my read.....