hello again...
i'm pretty sure i'm going to go with the Scope Project with the Synth & Sampler Package...i've got a few q's...
1. if you guys mix in CW, how do you render your final stereo wav file? do you need the Mix and Master package to do this? please elaborate with examples, if you could, i'm especially interested in setups using daw
programs and vst's in the PC platform...
2. as mentioned, i plan on using my Yamaha AW4416 as the front end for recording, it's got good 8 pres (only 2 w/phantom), enough gain, i have the Waves 56k card for pro-level processing, and i'll have the CW stuff as well (i also have a n Aphex 2ch tube pre i use for lots of stuff, including synths w/ a direct box, it works great...maybe it don't spec out great, but it dirties up the signal nicely)...garyb spoke of using the adat i/o on the Scope with external lightpipe-capable preamps, what front-end equip are you guys using for recording with your systems, and how many of you use the Creamware cards as you main computer sound cards? if you don't use CW as your sound card, what do you use/how is it configured?
3. i'm trying to determine what i/o config to get with the Scope card, the classic will probably work the best, i can probably get more use from the spdif than aes digital, and for my purposes the balances analog won't make much difference...what do you guys generally use?
thanks again for all the info/opinions, the countdown begins...
also, any illuminating examples in the form of sounds/songs would be cool (besides the stuff in the forums, if on a web site or whatnot)
thanks,
rg
A few q's
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Basic Pitch
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You wont be dissapointed trust me..
I use a Pro card (15 DSP) with synths and samplers packs aswell as profit5, proOne, Prodyssey and tons of other plugs I either made myself or from the wealth of incredible free apps for CW users.
I was using a Lynx2 Card which you may or may not know is considered to be top quality in sound performance and converters. It now resides in a closet as I use my Scope card as my main audio source.
I use Nuendo with SFP and its absolutely incredible as powerfull as could be, I tried the XTC mode once but using SFP is just so powerfull once you wrap your head around it and it clicks, theres pretty much nothing you cant do with it.
I use the STM 24 mixer within scope while my mackie desk sits and collects dust lol. By setting up a 24 channel mixer in SFP it allows me to have 24 channels of I/O virtually within Nuendo, so what I do is rout everything to a seperate virtual output into SFP and mix there, Nuendo acts as a midi/tape deck.
To fully round of the tool set I also use the UAD-1 and TC Powercore in unison with my Scope card, it basically allows me to do all my processing with DSPs and have the entire CPU and 2 gigs of ram left over for samples and romplers, or just heavy use applications run from the PC.
In regards to how the final mix gets tracked there are a few ways of handling this, my self I prefer to open up WaveLab or SoundForge and just set a master output from the STM mixer to a wave source output that directs to Wavelab. Its confusing sounding but when you see it in action you will be amazxed how easy and powerfull these solutions are.
From there just hit record on the wave editior and play on your sequencer and thats it, live tracking in realtime. then I tweak what I need and save the files.
There are many others ways aswell as an example if you do not have a wave editior, you could just rout the signal back in tracktion and record realtime on an open audio track.
In Nuendo you can also do an audio export using the "realtime" feature which is basically the same thing as a bounce, works awesome, but for me personally, I dont mind listening to the track while its recording to .wav so I just do it old school as if I was recording to tape within WaveLab.
The thing is with Scope, there really is no right or wrong way to do things, if you have a prefered style of routing, mixing or using strange techniques to achieve interesting results it can be with the flick of a mouse click. In essence, anything you can do or think of doing in a real hardware environment can be achieve with great ease in scope.
Hope this helps some what
Cheers!
I use a Pro card (15 DSP) with synths and samplers packs aswell as profit5, proOne, Prodyssey and tons of other plugs I either made myself or from the wealth of incredible free apps for CW users.
I was using a Lynx2 Card which you may or may not know is considered to be top quality in sound performance and converters. It now resides in a closet as I use my Scope card as my main audio source.
I use Nuendo with SFP and its absolutely incredible as powerfull as could be, I tried the XTC mode once but using SFP is just so powerfull once you wrap your head around it and it clicks, theres pretty much nothing you cant do with it.
I use the STM 24 mixer within scope while my mackie desk sits and collects dust lol. By setting up a 24 channel mixer in SFP it allows me to have 24 channels of I/O virtually within Nuendo, so what I do is rout everything to a seperate virtual output into SFP and mix there, Nuendo acts as a midi/tape deck.
To fully round of the tool set I also use the UAD-1 and TC Powercore in unison with my Scope card, it basically allows me to do all my processing with DSPs and have the entire CPU and 2 gigs of ram left over for samples and romplers, or just heavy use applications run from the PC.
In regards to how the final mix gets tracked there are a few ways of handling this, my self I prefer to open up WaveLab or SoundForge and just set a master output from the STM mixer to a wave source output that directs to Wavelab. Its confusing sounding but when you see it in action you will be amazxed how easy and powerfull these solutions are.
From there just hit record on the wave editior and play on your sequencer and thats it, live tracking in realtime. then I tweak what I need and save the files.
There are many others ways aswell as an example if you do not have a wave editior, you could just rout the signal back in tracktion and record realtime on an open audio track.
In Nuendo you can also do an audio export using the "realtime" feature which is basically the same thing as a bounce, works awesome, but for me personally, I dont mind listening to the track while its recording to .wav so I just do it old school as if I was recording to tape within WaveLab.
The thing is with Scope, there really is no right or wrong way to do things, if you have a prefered style of routing, mixing or using strange techniques to achieve interesting results it can be with the flick of a mouse click. In essence, anything you can do or think of doing in a real hardware environment can be achieve with great ease in scope.
Hope this helps some what
Cheers!
Mr. Pitch:
yes, very helpful...i'll have a look at SFP/STM 24, thanks...just wasn't sure how you routed (or if you could) back to your daw app, my EmuX setup came with WaveLAb lite so that's an option..i can also write direct to disc or organize files with my AW4416, i like the idea or flexability...cool indeed...
you mentioned that you use Scope as your main audio source, does that mean you never use acoustic sources or hardware gear? if you did, i assume you'ld simply employ your Lynx interface? besides the CW i/o, i'm curious what other use for audio i/o....
thanks,
rg
yes, very helpful...i'll have a look at SFP/STM 24, thanks...just wasn't sure how you routed (or if you could) back to your daw app, my EmuX setup came with WaveLAb lite so that's an option..i can also write direct to disc or organize files with my AW4416, i like the idea or flexability...cool indeed...
you mentioned that you use Scope as your main audio source, does that mean you never use acoustic sources or hardware gear? if you did, i assume you'ld simply employ your Lynx interface? besides the CW i/o, i'm curious what other use for audio i/o....
thanks,
rg
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Basic Pitch
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What I mean is basically,
That since as mentioned a sequencer (well most I assume) would not allow 2 asio sources so, I had to decide, use the Lynx for its great converters or just go directly with the Scope card as my primary sound card. As far as what I/O to use, thats entirely up to you and your budget, since we are talkin about ADAT or other configs dependant upon which type of I/O you choose for your card you can use any converters you like ranging from the least expensive to the most
I would say, take a look at what your needs are and go from there. there are plenty of decent adat solutions out there within a moderate price point, aswell as CW's own 16 channel solution.
The thing to keep in mind is that with the SFP environment, that is where the power comes from with this system, by not using it, you loose a great deal of what makes the creamware card so powerfull.
Cheers!
That since as mentioned a sequencer (well most I assume) would not allow 2 asio sources so, I had to decide, use the Lynx for its great converters or just go directly with the Scope card as my primary sound card. As far as what I/O to use, thats entirely up to you and your budget, since we are talkin about ADAT or other configs dependant upon which type of I/O you choose for your card you can use any converters you like ranging from the least expensive to the most
I would say, take a look at what your needs are and go from there. there are plenty of decent adat solutions out there within a moderate price point, aswell as CW's own 16 channel solution.
The thing to keep in mind is that with the SFP environment, that is where the power comes from with this system, by not using it, you loose a great deal of what makes the creamware card so powerfull.
Cheers!
why you need to open wavelab when you can record the new audio track with nuendo ?In Nuendo you can also do an audio export using the "realtime" feature which is basically the same thing as a bounce, works awesome, but for me personally, I dont mind listening to the track while its recording to .wav so I just do it old school as if I was recording to tape within WaveLab.