Is the Scope platform starting to NOT ! die?

sonicstrav · Post by **sonicstrav** » Sat Jul 09, 2005 1:09 am

NEW SCOPE HARDWARE 200MHz DSPS !!!!!

I've read about people selling their cards on the pulsar-scope forum - complaints about lack of Mac OSX support and lack of development on the scope by Creamware. What is everyone's views out there?

I've heard sales of scope cards are lousy compared to the TC/UAD stuff and Creamware IMHO are fooling about selling stuff like the ScopeFX and Restore which have such underpowered cards are are over-priced.

Will creamware go down the pan? or do they have a master stroke up their sleeve (probably not .............

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[ This Message was edited by: strav100 on 2005-07-11 13:48 ]

astroman · Post by **astroman** » Sat Jul 09, 2005 1:37 am

I've heard and read the same blurb about Apple 15 years ago and 10 years ago and 5 five years ago...
go figure stock values and balance

not that I want to compare the 2 companies - though there are similiarities of CWA and 'the early' Apple...
if CWA turns the same way, be prepared for some nice surprises in product support and prices, but we'll be rewarded by a financially growing healthy company...

If you consider 'Restore' overpriced and lame, then you have no idea of it's content, performance and price level of that kind of application - it's a very good offer.

cheers, Tom

samplaire · Post by **samplaire** » Sat Jul 09, 2005 2:25 am

On 2005-07-09 02:09, strav100 wrote:
I've read about people selling their cards on the pulsar-scope forum - complaints about lack of Mac OSX support and lack of development on the scope by Creamware.

Sorry but such bla bla makes me nervous. Does you optimaster become to harsh after 2 years of use? Does your MiniMax sound outdated comparing to 'todays' standards? If CWA dies, will your music or your production as well? I can see people saying: hey, don't listen to that, it's producted on CWA stuff'. Rumours, words, bla bla. Please, make music

Lima · Post by **Lima** » Sat Jul 09, 2005 3:08 am

Samplaire you're the man!

I totally agree with you! In the pulsar's yahoo forum theese days I've said the same thing.

It seems that nowadays these threads are "exploded" everywhere. I'm starting to think that's an artificial situation.

Possible that since a month ago all was quiet and now we found people that subscrive this forum only to say (more or less clearly) " Hey Pulsar is dead, I've passed to ... " ?

Anyway I think that good music can be done also with a paper box for shoe.

Good music is done by talented people.
Crap is made by who think to be talented.

samplaire · Post by **samplaire** » Sat Jul 09, 2005 3:20 am

I forgot to add:

This looks like:

"hey, CWA is dead, sell your cards or they blow!"

Or a father to his rude son: "be polite or daddy gives you a CWA card!"

[ This Message was edited by: samplaire on 2005-07-09 04:20 ]

pseudojazzer · Post by **pseudojazzer** » Sat Jul 09, 2005 3:23 am

I'll tell you something, my pulsar is not dying... it sounds as good as it did the day i bought it, no infact it sounds better... cos i've been slowly learning how to use it!!!
Nothing else has as much functionality as scope, if you want XP64 and all that then go for it - but i just want functionality to make (hopefully) good music - and scope gives me all that and more. i get really frustrated by people who say its dead/dying - do you use it? does it work? does is sound fantastic? The answer for me is yes, and if it is a yes then how can it be dying?
Long live Scope

Post by **garyb** » Sat Jul 09, 2005 10:16 am

this question definitely depends on you. will you stop buying/using this stuff?

i have seen an element trying to collapse this company since v1.1 . maybe it's digidesign agents at work........

agree with the other posts....

dodge · Post by **dodge** » Sat Jul 09, 2005 10:52 am

Maybe Creamware could team up with another technology company and come up with a new way of utilizing the Scope platform? Possibly a hardware manufacturer? That way, Creamware could focus on the software, making it available to todays systems? Might speed things up?

okantah · Post by **okantah** » Sat Jul 09, 2005 11:45 am

garyb
You 100% right, i have suspected the conspiracy and post it 2yrs ago!
The creamware products very cheap,it's capabilities,seems to be threat THEIR world.it's certain that CW has potential competitors.
cheers

ElectronicaDub · Post by **ElectronicaDub** » Sat Jul 09, 2005 12:10 pm

I think that a Scope card will become a classic in the sense that old Roland and Korg synths have. If CW does die(personally I suspect that their new products such as ScopeFX and Restore and ASB's will not sell too well), then I shall still keep using my card because its stable and reliable, If it aint broke, do't fix it. I still use old Ensoniq stuff thats over 10 years old and find new ways of working with it by integrating it with Scope and letting my brain work, rather than selecting presets. It would be a pity if CW went under for good, but I suspect that we in this forum would continue to support each other for as long as we still use the good old Scope cards.

darkrezin · Post by **darkrezin** » Sat Jul 09, 2005 1:53 pm

I think part of the problem is that many people who want to be 'producers' etc. are so sheep-like and unskilled, they cannot judge the quality of a piece of equipment for themselves. They need some 3rd-party (advertisement, magazine, friends, forum peers etc) to reassure them that it's good.

There's also a paranoia that they won't be able to sell their cards later on down the line because they will be outdated. Weird consumer culture.

I still have 2 pulsar1 cards, and recently thought about selling them. To be honest, the amount of use I can get out of these cards totally negates any second hand price I could possibly get for them.

If you don't know why the Scope stuff is good just sell it and spare us the trauma.... for the money you can get an M-Audio card and have enough left over to buy a copy of Reason

@ John Cooper - can we have an FAQ with this kind of stuff in it, so we don't have to endure these endless threads? I'd rather be talking about politics in Off-Topic

okantah · Post by **okantah** » Sun Jul 10, 2005 1:56 am

@ John Cooper - can we have an FAQ with this kind of stuff in it, so we don't have to endure these endless threads? I'd rather be talking about politics in Off-Topic

I agree such negtv.should be post some where else for those who need them.
cheers

andrew · Post by **andrew** » Sun Jul 10, 2005 1:58 pm

totally agree with dodge on this, joining forces, looking for new memes, new ideas!

loading vectron as well..

Andrew

[ This Message was edited by: andrew on 2005-07-10 15:19 ]

emzee · Post by **emzee** » Sun Jul 10, 2005 4:53 pm

Agreement on a major point.... there does seem a continual effort to damage Creamware credibility. Welcome to business. Maybe we should call on Batman.....oh....oops. Was that a John Bowen synth, Rotor, used on that last film? What do I need to run that?

Music Manic · Post by **Music Manic** » Sun Jul 10, 2005 7:00 pm

Pulsar 1s go for dirt now and I'd pay just for converters let alone software.The sound is above average.

AndreD · Post by **AndreD** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 1:56 am

On 2005-07-11 02:43, AndreD wrote:
On 2005-07-09 02:09, strav100 wrote:
I've read about people selling their cards on the pulsar-scope forum - complaints about lack of Mac OSX support and lack of development on the scope by Creamware. What is everyone's views out there?

I've heard sales of scope cards are lousy compared to the TC/UAD stuff and Creamware IMHO are fooling about selling stuff like the ScopeFX and Restore which have such underpowered cards are are over-priced.

Will creamware go down the pan? or do they have a master stroke up their sleeve (probably not ............. )

UAD/PC cards are lousy compared to the native power today

A CW card only offer a latency free studio-evironment _next_ to your native host!

Scope will never die, as long as digital mixers are needed!
Some days ago, a PULSAR1 was sold for 350.- EUR @ EBAY.

Somedays, there will be a new scope-verison, I´m shure.

Remember, we just built our minimax in hardware!
That was a step into a new scope world too

[ This Message was edited by: AndreD on 2005-07-12 03:43 ]

astroman · Post by **astroman** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 2:34 am

congrats for making it into the disciple region (though cheating with the double post) and congrats to your new location, Andre.
Looks promising

cheers, Tom

at0m · Post by **at0m** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 3:48 am

"I agree such negtv.should be post some where else for those who need them."

Stop replying to this nonsense may help

There's 3 such topics now, people just spitting out of nowhere, let them sink down quick...

johnbowen · Post by **johnbowen** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 4:41 pm

hi emzee,

No, for 'Batman Begins' Hans used the Solaris v3.0 and a new custom synth (based on the Waldorf Wave) which I made for him.
(I will be selling a smaller version of it next month - please check my web site for more info.)

cheers,

darkrezin · Post by **darkrezin** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 6:49 pm

Looks like a fun synth