The day against war

spoimala · Post by **spoimala** » Sun Mar 20, 2005 4:03 am

Yesterday, 19.3. was the Day against war.
People organized many demonstrations all over the world. How many participated?
Count me as one.

Casper · Post by **Casper** » Tue Mar 22, 2005 7:15 am

When will America wake up!?!

9-11 crashes where deliberate!
The Media is keeping all of us ignorent.

Hegelian Principle (invented by the greeks!)
1) create a problem
2) people give up human rights
3) power shift's to government

Beware of this!!
More and more evidency to support this emerges every day!

http://www.planetz.com/forums/viewtopic ... orum=31&29

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Post by **hubird** » Tue Mar 22, 2005 8:08 am

I've heard that Bush has sent a nice bottle of french cognac to Osama Bin Laden, to thank him for the 9-11 gift...

Spirit · Post by **Spirit** » Tue Mar 22, 2005 8:53 am

Liquid Len · Post by **Liquid Len** » Tue Mar 22, 2005 9:17 am

This discussion again??

You don't think that terrorists (whom I don't deny are very real and dangerous) are carelessly walking around with suitcases with nothing but a Koran and a how-to book on making bombs in them? You don't think they send anthrax only to democrats and media outlets? You don't think their plastic IDs survived the twin tower attacks? You don't think that suspending basic civil rights like a right to a trial will make anyone safer?

Me neither.

Spirit · Post by **Spirit** » Tue Mar 22, 2005 11:13 am

Hang on, I think I just saw a UFO with Elvis Presley in it - and he was talking about who killed JFK !

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alfonso · Post by **alfonso** » Tue Mar 22, 2005 12:18 pm

On 2005-03-22 11:13, Spirit wrote:
Hang on, I think I just saw a UFO with Elvis Presley in it - and he was talking about who killed JFK !

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The day it could serve some enormous financial-economical power interest you will see it.

spoimala · Post by **spoimala** » Tue Mar 22, 2005 12:34 pm

On 2005-03-22 07:15, Casper wrote:
When will America wake up!?!
9-11 crashes where deliberate!
The Media is keeping all of us ignorent.

The Media is pretty much run by one single person, Rupert Murdoch
http://www.americanprogress.org/site/pp ... F&b=122948

http://www.woopidoo.com/biography/rupert-murdoch.htm

Post by **Guest** » Tue Mar 22, 2005 4:14 pm

This says it all.

http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/

where is the # 1 "democracy" is heading for? a total collapse?

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spoimala · Post by **spoimala** » Tue Mar 22, 2005 4:33 pm

where is the # 1 "democracy" is heading for? a total collapse?

Yes, toward fascism. Here are some concerns:
http://www.inversionmagazine.com/featur ... owAmer.htm

I didn't know whether to laugh or cry when I heard (a month or so ago) Condoleezza Rice critisizing the democracy of Russia.. what a PR-move!

A better spelling for GWB's democracy: dem'o'crazy

mr swim · Post by **mr swim** » Tue Mar 22, 2005 8:02 pm

well, I don't really understand what it means to be 'against war'.

For instance, I was against the invasion in Iraq (although I don't think it was as clear cut as the partisans on either side make out).

But the march in London was called 'bring the troops home'. And this statement just seems crazy. Whatever harm our troops are now doing in Iraq, to simply put them on a plane now would (unfortunately) be (as far as I can see) completely against the interests of the average iraqi citizen.

So (again, of course, as far as I can see) an illegal and unjustified war, having taken place, now justifies the continuing occupation. Tricky ... but true ...

Again (unfortunately) there IS such a thing as a just war, but (unfortunately) even just wars can be conducted (and invariably are) unjustly. The Korean war is a good example.

I just don't like white's or black's - the difficulty of life is that life is difficult ! Complicated ! Murky !

And it is very important for clever, sensitive people to NEVER get sucked into a partial, partisan viewpoint (indeed that is just what Bush would like - a sort of 'us or them' armaggeddon ..)

Anyway, there are lots of things happening in the world (and very noticably for me the UK) that I would march about. But I just can't make head nor tails of 'End to War'.

I wish I could !

Will.

Post by **hubird** » Tue Mar 22, 2005 8:52 pm

............ 'War? No man, this is FUN! TaTaTaTaTa'

Post by **Guest** » Tue Mar 22, 2005 9:43 pm

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Whatever harm our troops are now doing in Iraq, to simply put them on a plane now would (unfortunately) be (as far as I can see) completely against the interests of the average iraqi citizen.
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really what is the interest of so called average iraqi citizen??

is it in the interest of the iraqi citizen to see other iraqis being blown up to pieces daily while the occupation forces seems very helpless in stopping such murders to happen?
OR
it is in the interest of the iraqis to see their fellow citizens treated by the occupation forces worse than saddam treated them.

remember Abu Ghraib prison? does that fit in the interest of the average Iraqi citizen.

funny thing is that "Western democracies has always knew the interest of other nations but not theirs

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next to nothing · Post by **next to nothing** » Tue Mar 22, 2005 10:09 pm

funny thing is its not iraq citizens that are doing the main resistence, but people coming from surrounding areas.

valis · Post by **valis** » Wed Mar 23, 2005 1:22 am

That isn't necessarily true. Mainstream presses report that, but a lot of the independant reports (and not al-jazeera) report that in Fallujah for instance only 1 out of 100 bodies recovered from non-occupying forces wasn't Iraqi. The people I know over there in the Military says similar things (those that aren't cussing sand-ni**ers as if they're the new jap/gook/wop etc).

Post by **Guest** » Wed Mar 23, 2005 1:47 am

this is the result of watching sanitized news.
A country of more than 16 millions are all applauding to be occupied and colonized.

was the french resistance really made up of french people or the majority were from neighboring countries??

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Spirit · Post by **Spirit** » Wed Mar 23, 2005 2:00 am

So Antar, if we're hearing the 'biased' version, what's your source and how can you possibly know whether or not *it's* biased ?

at0m · Post by **at0m** » Wed Mar 23, 2005 2:09 am

During the war in ex-yugoslavia, some 'tourists' were found to drive from Western European countries to the battle field over the weekend to shoot people. Others were contracted as mercenaries to do the same on a more permanent basis. They usually did it for fun, some for money.

How come that, since GWB, the words freedom and democracy make me sick?

Post by **garyb** » Wed Mar 23, 2005 2:52 am

they call the "rebels" "insurgents". insurgents are NON-belligerant rebels by definition. more specifically, an "insurgent" is a member of a political party who disagrees with the party's leadership. if they are killing insurgents, they are killing unarmed civilians who disagree with the occupation. again, this is by definition.

i'm not saying there aren't any murderous rebels, but if they are murderous, they're not insurgents and the press(english majors) know this so what gives?

why does the usa control middle east oil and gas prices are still rising?

lots of lies are told....

few posses the ability to take in the information and process it, so the official version stands. still, there is no osama, no al-caeda connection to sadaam and still no wmds. whatever your political veiwpoint, fine. these kinds of issues are human ones not political ones, regardless of spin. only humpty dumpty makes words mean ONLY "what i wish them to mean, no more no less"(you know, freedom, democracy, insurgent). we all remember what happened to the dumpty one.

wars ALWAYS better the status of the elite and are ALWAYS a drag (kinda deadly) for the commoner. the average human gains nothing from any governments dreams of conquest. how many billions have been put to slaughter and butchery in this one little war alone? i'll bet that that same sum(both dollars and other forms of energy) used for humanity's pleasure would be much more effective for solving problems and gaining trust....

just an opinion(and a few facts)....oh, and that d word? it's missing just one letter. it should be spelled demonacracy.

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Casper · Post by **Casper** » Wed Mar 23, 2005 3:30 am

Did you all know that Bush and Kerry where cousins ?
And both members of brotherhood Skull&Bones!

Just look at the fact's ! Some people here are giving comment's but arn't even listening to what we have to say. For what i've seen New-York is becoming a police state! Just go there and see for your self.
For the Skull&Bones master plan you only have to do nothing in order for them to succeed. So go ahead , give up all of your rights! You think your save now? Just wait and do nothing!

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