Audio mix editor TripleLE Protools LE - comments

geoffd99 · Post by **geoffd99** » Mon Mar 14, 2005 12:26 pm

I looked at TripleLE since it would be very handy to have an in-SFP multiple wave editor, to use after the midi/sound generation/fx phase - to do final mixes.
Obviously other packages do this, but it would be nice to record from SFP in 32 bits into their own editor, then run that through a mixer/effects for mastering. It is good to separate out the processes sometimes.

If TripleLE had more than 8 tracks (!) and could actually record the SFP output 'internally' to SFP it would be ideal as simple to use (or so they say).

Now I use Ableton Live 4 for rough arrangements, then Sonar or Acid for finishing off (Acid is fast and fun) with mutiple channels running into SFP.

I am thinking of getting Protools 6.7 (since I need an Mbox for my laptop) but have never used it. Any ideas anyone?

As for the full version of TripleDAT, does anyone have a proper contact at CW as people I email have a tendency to suddenly vanish - unless they are all temps. When is it out? What is it? Etc...

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darkrezin · Post by **darkrezin** » Mon Mar 14, 2005 7:50 pm

I'd go for Pro Tools personally, mainly because it's very useful to have the ability to edit PT sessions, but also because it is actually very nice, responsive software,great for editing (once you get into the keyboard shortcuts). The Mbox isn't the best design but it's usable (as long as you dont need uber-low latency) and is much better value than digi002 which has pretty flawed hardware (prone to communication errors on firewire).

You better get used to the strange Digidesign ways though.. dodgy upgrade/backward compatibility policy to say the least.

darkrezin · Post by **darkrezin** » Mon Mar 14, 2005 7:52 pm

Oh and be aware that PT LE doesn't have latency compensation, which is stupendously annoying (although cunning as it makes it a lot of hassle to use non-TDM DSP cards with it).

kwild · Post by **kwild** » Mon Mar 14, 2005 8:11 pm

Be aware from TripleDatLE too!!!!
U can't use it to record mixdown of ur projects from SFP coz TDLe works as stand alone only.
U must close SFP and open TDLe...absurd!
It's a very useless application and it can record at 16 bit only...i've wasted 147 euros for that piece of shit!

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Post by **garyb** » Tue Mar 15, 2005 2:00 am

i suggest samplitude or if that's too precious magix music studio2005(the audio studio part)....an excellent mastering tool and audio sequencer.

Shayne White · Post by **Shayne White** » Tue Mar 15, 2005 3:05 am

TripleDat is supposed to be able to do 32-bit. What's up with that?

Post by **garyb** » Tue Mar 15, 2005 3:09 am

afaik, it does...

geoffd99 · Post by **geoffd99** » Tue Mar 15, 2005 3:11 am

Yes I have heard that Samplitude is 'the best' whatever that means, since I might be using multiple channels out via SFP - although I read a post here that Samplitude has better quality internal mixing? Any comments on NOT using multi channels in SFP for mixdown?

Protools LE is interesting as it is new to me, also is industry standard should any of my meisterwerks ever get anywhere.

I might use Protools LE independently of SFP as a mixing tool, like Samplitude, would it then not need multichannel SFP? (Or SFP at all apart from stereo?)

I once raised the 'mix quality' issue - which has the best audio quality on mixing internally, SFP STM mixers, a Yamaha Pro One mixer I had at the time (which sounded better to me), or say Samplitude, ProTools, or even Cubase, SOnar, Logic etc?

And why doesn't anyone publish data on this (ie physics?).

Thanks all

kwild · Post by **kwild** » Tue Mar 15, 2005 3:59 am

On 2005-03-15 03:05, Shayne White wrote:
TripleDat is supposed to be able to do 32-bit. What's up with that?

Maybe Tripledat but TripleDatLE can't record at 32 bits...16 bit 44.1/48 khz only!

astroman · Post by **astroman** » Tue Mar 15, 2005 4:01 am

can it read 24 or 32 bit files then ?

geoffd99 · Post by **geoffd99** » Tue Mar 15, 2005 6:28 am

Kwild: I would try and get a refund from CW as TripleLE does seem to be NOT what it is sold as - the ad on the CW site has disappeared, it is very hard to find now, perhaps they had a lot of neg. feedback. Also there is no demo, so you had to trust their ad blurb, which said it was the greatest etc etc.
'Misrepresented product; no proper specs; no demo'
I think you can automatically get a refund as it is sold online (same as mail order) where you always have the right to return goods.

Has anyone used Live 4, SFP and Protools (LE or other) at the same time? Rewire comes in here somewhere I think.

kwild · Post by **kwild** » Tue Mar 15, 2005 5:05 pm

I haven't ask for a refound coz im still waiting for a forthcoming (as they have advertize from months) upgrade to a more serious version at a scaled price as a user of TripleDatLE.
But creamware don't give us any news from months and i don't know if i can ask for a refound after all the time...

astroman · Post by **astroman** » Wed Mar 16, 2005 7:09 pm

no need to bother about refunds - unless CWA is the only supplier of software who is stupid enough to guarantee a certain functionality for a given purpose...

All software worldwide (in this market segment and a few more...) is licenced with the explicit exclusion of the above said.

But I've seen worse cases than yours, where people signed (cleverly formulated) contracts (5-figure Euro values) and were left with a non-functional prototype, but with monthly license fees due...

full version of TripleDat comes 'definetely this year' - it's up to you to decide if the source was CWA's phone support or the weather forecast...

cheers, Tom

geoffd99 · Post by **geoffd99** » Thu Mar 17, 2005 4:30 am

As for refunds, in UK, PC World do software refunds - if software won't run, they take the customer's word for it (a friend took back a PC game as it crashed a lot, and got a refund).
This shows the strength of the 'normal' consumer area, rather than the specialist area... where any old rip-off is allowed.
I think usual consumer rights apply, above any 'small print' type restrictions, as CW are selling a product, not a software service like the big bespoke software houses.

I used to work in the computer industry so am well aware of the stupendous waste, and the trickery involved in parting clients from their money.

'The big print giveth and the small print taketh away'

astroman · Post by **astroman** » Thu Mar 17, 2005 11:23 am

well, it's a bit off topic, but kwild complains about 2 points:

#1 about the bit depth is simple - there's not even the slightest hint on CWA's site or in any released info about the program's bit depth.
While this (non-information policy) IS questionable in itself, it doesn't qualify as a reason to insist on something that simply has NOT been promised.

On 2005-03-14 20:11, kwild wrote:
...
U can't use it to record mixdown of ur projects from SFP coz TDLe works as stand alone only.
U must close SFP and open TDLe...absurd!
...

#2 is a simple misunderstanding of the application's architecture.
I've downloaded and installed TripleLE just to see what it's all about (I'm interested myself as I have the old Triple and plugin).

I ended with (basically) a regular SFP setup and see no reason why arbitrary devices and projects from 3.1 could not be moved into this environment.
There have been problems reported, but my personal (!) guess is that much is due to CWA's installer process.

Imho it's the same as a migration to SFP4, which I'm not interested in because I don't see any advantagse for my personal setup.

cheers, Tom

geoffd99 · Post by **geoffd99** » Wed Mar 30, 2005 11:55 am

There is a discussion of DAW quality, based around a test cd, here:

http://www.mercenary.com/3dauawdawsum.html

Discussion forum (with hardly any mentions of Creamware! but those that are, are positive), there is loads of interesting stuff here:

http://www.3daudioinc.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi

>>> I still am no further down the line on mixing etc. My wife has just got an Imac with Garageband 2 and has plugged in a mic and a Korg X5D, and has written several great songs in no time at all - and they 'sound' great too! (Logic instruments in GB2, new Core audio...). Talk about going native!