New style...new sound LUPUS

Thalamus · Post by **Thalamus** » Wed Dec 01, 2004 10:02 pm

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This is a whole new thing I got into. I got a producer role from a recordcompany to redefine the style of this music WITH the band. They have been through 3 producers before me, so now is now...

The band is 3 women in front with attitude, playing 2 guitars, bass and vocals, and a male drummer. I find the band is doing GREAT melodies, but sounds too much like "90'ies don't give a fuck rock" like Primus etc. Nothing wrong with that, but now is a new time, a new sound.

I would like to hear your thoughs about this so much. I think the band is much better off with a more silent style, more focused on some folk elements and instruments like accordion, cello, violin and so on.

The song you hear is a early demo done with someone else, where I added some guitars, piano and strings, just to do something until having the band in my studio.

yeah...rock and roooooooool.

UPS!!! sorry for the bad soundquality, but this is just starting up...

nitty gritty · Post by **nitty gritty** » Thu Dec 02, 2004 10:01 am

How about a cardigans "style" (not copy) Rock/electronic mix as per gran turismo??

IMHO steer clear from folk/classical, they have a nice energetic rock vibe - don't kill that.

petal · Post by **petal** » Thu Dec 02, 2004 10:04 am

Hmm, not sure what to think of this, but I agree with you on the sound of the 90'ies. One of the first bad things I noticed, was the lead-singers pronounsation of the english language. It has this "danish chick singing english" over it... Like Iben Hjejle in "High Fidelity" - That's something she/you needs to work with.
The melodies are quite nice, Primus wasn't one of the first bands that came to mind though, more "The Sundays" and "Sixpence none the richer", "Mew" and of course a lot of different american college bands. The college band-sound is something I would try to avoid, which means a different aproach to the guitarwork.

In short, The lead singer should work with her english. I think that the melodies are their strongest asset right now, focus on that and build the guitarwork around them as a strong counterweight to the melodies, in order to develop a new sound.

Hope I didnt step on somebodys toes...
Thomas

nitty gritty · Post by **nitty gritty** » Thu Dec 02, 2004 10:15 am

I saw this and thought of you.

QUEEN MARY's music is a collection of seemingly contradictory elements that combine to form something stronger - a dichotomy of old and new, hi-tech and lo-tech, with lush, rich arrangements supporting something not often found in rock today - simple, beautiful melodies. QM is a marriage of man and machine - rock and electronica - raw emotion and modern technology. Review after review cite the inability to categorize the sound, but the well-worn theme of 'something new and exciting' and 'good for the jaded' is heard time and again.

Mary's dream to bring this music to life led her to assemble this group of musical monsters. QUEEN MARY is Mary Pastorius/vocal enchantment, Eric Young/electronic alchemy and production, Stewart Coleman/guitar onslaught, David Pastorius/bass madness and Derek Sexton/drums and rhythmic attack. QUEEN MARY is essentially the critically acclaimed band LOCURA retooled for the single purpose of world domination.

http://www.queen-mary.cc

braincell · Post by **braincell** » Thu Dec 02, 2004 7:05 pm

I listened to about 20 seconds of this and I stopped it. I would think this music could make some money. It sounds like all the other alternative music they are pushing these days. You should run like hell from this project. If you manage to make it sound halfway decent, the artists will hate you because obviously they have no taste. This is what I hate about rock music. There is currently no innovation. The guitar/drums/bass and vocal combination is what kids want to hear and I don't know why. I hate the way they just copy what has been done countless times before.

Spirit · Post by **Spirit** » Thu Dec 09, 2004 9:49 am

I suppose it's irrelevant to comment on the actual sonic quality since this is a previous demo.

So on style matters.... not something I'd ever listen to normally since it's "easy listening girl pop" to me.

The playing style to me is "average rock/pop", too many things that have been heard many times bfore. So it slides away from consciousness. Maybe that's what they want ?

I like your sparser acoustic idea which might eliminate some of the rock cliches that are blocking and muddying the fundamental strengths such as the nice tone to the voices & pleasant melody. Drums need work to come up with original patterns & fills (and sound boomy & flat)... I think I'd start chopping them up or effecting the hell out of them

Not sure I agree about the English lessons. Do they really want to sound like another UK/USA girl pop band ?

I would think that instead they should sound Danish and keep their accents strong. Even put in some non-English lines in some sexy voice and get us guessing

Play to your strengths and natural background rather than try to imitate. Accents are sexy & interesting.

Just my useless 2c

eliam · Post by **eliam** » Thu Dec 09, 2004 12:59 pm

Yes, I'd bring in the violin, piano, and an array of acoustic and synth sounds. Not in every song, but they certainly do have smoother ballads? I hope so, because this screetching sound with dito guitar sounds unpleasant to my hears. And it's not about production but instrumentation choice and arrangement style. But that's just me... I trust you can work with them to refine their sound and polish some of the abrasive stuff, without defeating their own direction... if possible...

If it was me, you may guess I'd never produce this kind of music having to hear it day in-day out in the studio monitors... I'd go nuts... But my opinion is worthless here, just follow your heart pal!

eliam · Post by **eliam** » Thu Dec 09, 2004 2:20 pm

Yes, I'd bring in the violin, piano, and an array of acoustic and synth sounds. Not in every song, but they certainly do have smoother ballads? I hope so, because this screetching sound with disto guitar sounds unpleasant to my hears. And it's not about production but instrumentation choice and arrangement style. But that's just me... I trust you can work with them to refine their sound and polish some of the abrasive stuff, without defeating their own direction... if possible...

If it was me, you may guess I'd never produce this kind of music having to hear it day in-day out in the studio monitors... I'd go nuts... But my opinion is worthless here, just follow your heart pal!

Thalamus · Post by **Thalamus** » Thu Dec 09, 2004 5:46 pm

Thank you so much for your opinions on this one. You wrote some great words that will be taking into account when making the songs. You are such a great help.

For myself, this has more gone into somewhat more U2'ish kinda thing, with some eurythmics stuff...But then still keeping the rock vibe.

Thalamus · Post by **Thalamus** » Mon Dec 20, 2004 8:13 pm

Hey...

here's a nicer mix of that one...

http://www.kraftwerket.dk/transfer/stra ... master.mp3

C ya...and happy christmas

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Post by **hubird** » Mon Dec 20, 2004 10:27 pm

much better mix, same style

the girls just don't rock, whatever that may be these days.
I guess if it sells, it rocks

Thalamus · Post by **Thalamus** » Mon Dec 20, 2004 10:51 pm

Thx for your words...

the girls just don't rock, whatever that may be these days.

Well, that's all subjective...and I have too disagree...

Post by **hubird** » Mon Dec 20, 2004 11:16 pm

sorry my friend, have to agree with Spirit here

braincell · Post by **braincell** » Mon Dec 20, 2004 11:51 pm

No matter how good the mix is, it still isn't a good song. That said, with the record company pushing it and with luck it could make money which is to say that it could be a part of some some sort of evil musical prostitution. This song is crafted from bits and pieces of many other songs which gives you the feeling you have heard it before yet nothing about it really sticks in your head the way a good pop song does, even some bad songs have a hook that you can't stop hearing. This song is devoid of catchy hooks.

kensuguro · Post by **kensuguro** » Tue Dec 21, 2004 12:12 am

hmm.. traveling on a border here I think.. The sound and feel is kind of in between clean and tightly produced, and dirty and wild. I think I perfer to push out the dirty and wild, depending on the girls' image..

Vocals are way too far back if you ask me.. I'd give 'em more harmonics, or have the gals sing louder, and then really emphasize the 5th and 4th harmonies. (like they all do)

not too sure where it's heading tho.. Great sound, not exceptional, but good performance.