Creamware Profit-5?

next to nothing · Post by **next to nothing** » Wed Jul 28, 2004 10:00 am

Part of the interview with King Brain on http://www.cwaudio.de :

"CWA: You will soon get the new Profit-5, CreamWare’s emulation of the Prophet-5."

guess this is a zarg rebrand?

and from the proTone description in the shop:
"1:1 port of an analog classic that can be considered Profit-5’s little brother."

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Shayne White · Post by **Shayne White** » Wed Jul 28, 2004 10:33 am

Yeah, I remember there was some talk of that ages ago, right before they went bankrupt. I don't think it's going to be anything that we don't already have, and it might not have as many features as John's version.

Now, if they modeled Rev 2, *that* would be interesting!

Shayne

johnbowen · Post by **johnbowen** » Wed Jul 28, 2004 5:14 pm

Hi group,

It's not a 'zarg rebrand' - the main job was done before the bankruptcy by CW employees, and they built it separately, using more optimised blocks than were available to me. It does have a number of features gleaned from the Prophet Plus, as well as a few unique parameters, and is overall very nicely done. Probably there's some improvements in the emulation in the filter or oscs - I'm not sure - you will have to let your ears decide. However, the preset lists won't be compatible, just so you know.

In any case, I'm sure you will find this version to be just as satisfying to work with as my versions...just very slight differences here and there.

peace,

Spirit · Post by **Spirit** » Wed Jul 28, 2004 6:26 pm

How odd to bother remodelling something alreay done by Zarg ? Almost smacks of hubris

nprime · Post by **nprime** » Wed Jul 28, 2004 10:24 pm

Glad my real prophet 5 still works!

R

Shayne White · Post by **Shayne White** » Thu Jul 29, 2004 1:50 pm

Hey, John, since you're the Prophet expert, how did P5 Rev 2 sound compared to Rev 3 (which is the CW version)? I know some people liked it better, what are the differences? If CW modeled Rev 2 (not that they're going to), would it sound very different?

I'm curious...

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valis · Post by **valis** » Thu Jul 29, 2004 8:46 pm

I believe one of the advantages of the Zargmusic version was the 'unison' mode.

menno · Post by **menno** » Fri Jul 30, 2004 5:42 am

On 2004-07-28 19:26, Spirit wrote:
How odd to bother remodelling something alreay done by Zarg ? Almost smacks of hubris

I have to agree, I find it odd as well, esp when the Zarg version is already excellent.

And just think, they could have spend the time on finally improving the STS series instead

valis · Post by **valis** » Fri Jul 30, 2004 11:40 am

Obviously John (Zarg) worked on it with them.

medway · Post by **medway** » Sat Jul 31, 2004 6:40 am

Its rev 2, SSM filters. Oh and the unison sounds amazing. Overall I think its my favorite Scope synth.

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Shayne White · Post by **Shayne White** » Sat Jul 31, 2004 4:50 pm

No, the current CW/John version is Rev 3, CEM circuts. They haven't modeled Rev 2 yet.

medway · Post by **medway** » Sat Jul 31, 2004 10:59 pm

I was talking about the unreleased CW version.

Jesse

Shayne White · Post by **Shayne White** » Sat Jul 31, 2004 11:33 pm

Really? It's going to be Rev 2?

That's awesome! Have you been a beta tester, then?

medway · Post by **medway** » Sun Aug 01, 2004 10:01 am

Yes. Probably shouldn't spill any more beans as to not upset CW though but I figured this little bit of info would be ok. Although since the whole rearranging of their site/business I have not heard from the beta team at all so I'm not sure as to the current state of the P5.

Jesse

Shayne White · Post by **Shayne White** » Sun Aug 01, 2004 11:55 am

Wow! That makes it a lot more exciting since I thought it was going to be ProTone with a different interface/feature set (like the old Zarg versions were). OK, this question doesn't make you have to say anything you didn't already say: how does the Rev 2 model sound compared to the Rev 3 model? I've heard that a lot of people liked it better (though the original was more unstable).

Shayne

medway · Post by **medway** » Sun Aug 01, 2004 1:41 pm

Well I dont have a rev 3 to compare too. But I do have the ProTone as well as the Zarg Pro One. I would say the CW P5 seems a little darker and richer, not as clean as the Pro Ones are. But I have no idea if this is from the filter. There is a filter input though so it will be useful for processing other signals. Hopefully CW will release it soon and you can tell for yourself. They did do some special work on the unison as well, it sounds amazing.

Jesse

johnbowen · Post by **johnbowen** » Mon Aug 02, 2004 2:27 pm

Valis,

No, I didn't work on this one. I meant they gleaned some features from the Prophet Plus by copying those features.

But I did hear that it was going to be a Rev 2 emulation, at least of the filters...so, it appears this is the case. I'll have to check the final version for full comparision, if anyone cares...

As I said, I think it's a good job done, and you certainly won't be disappointed with it! Also, this means they can support it with followup versions, etc., as the system is updated.

regards,

valis · Post by **valis** » Mon Aug 02, 2004 11:39 pm

Ah I'm sorry John, I was under the impression that they had extended what you had done.

DJ Mosley · Post by **DJ Mosley** » Tue Aug 03, 2004 5:43 pm

I just bought the Zarg Proph@t before learning about the creamware version about a week ago. I like it, but has anyone heard a side by side yet of the two? Does one need both? Is one more synth punchy?

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Shayne White · Post by **Shayne White** » Tue Aug 03, 2004 8:29 pm

Well, John's Proph@t is based on the Rev 3 Prophet-5 with the CEM oscs/filters. CW's Profit is based on Rev 2 with the SSM ones. I don't know how much difference there is, but I think most people agree that the SSM chips were better (?). The SSM chips were less stable than the CEM chips, but that isn't an issue anymore with our fancy-shmancy digital DSPs.

Shayne