SDK availility....

phatbob · Post by **phatbob** » Sun May 02, 2004 8:43 am

Hi there.

Not to start an endless discussion, or anything anoying, but I was thinking about what's CWA philosophy or what we may call busyness strategies.
Ok, let's go, even if I may be consider as a ass..

Accordin to CWA, the SDK will be available for FREE to registered user IF the user HAS a 15 or 14 SP card. I think it may not be the proper way to behave. Did you realise that if you're the proud owner of 2 Pulsar II and a Luna (15 Shark) you won't be part of the pontential SFP developer.
Yes, that a shame for me. I would have gone more for a SDK that you can puschase that for a " if you have at least a 15 DSP poard, you clever enough to develop devices"
In my opinion, IT IS the stupidest way to promote CWA product. Imagine all indenpendant developer that are able to bring us all those wonderfull devs. New comers to SFP won't be able to go in this way. The more devices available, the more flexible is the Platform.
Think about that. Do you think that it is because you own a 15DSP card that you are more confortable with making devices??
I am conviced that the best solution would be to pay (naot that much..) for the SDK. This would limit the number of dev (I go in ths way because I'm wondering if CWA is not a little bi paranoid..) and this would encourage people realy interresteded in making diveces.

A yearr ago, I contacted CW to ask about the Scope DP. I was realy in Modular II. I was planing to "export" a few Modules to proper devices. Do you believe they reply me tha if I wanted to develop dev I have to by by the Modular?? What's this philosophy??

After the hard days CWA passed through, I think they shoud encourage any positive action that may help to sread CAW aura. Lite the one for porting SFP to Mac OSX or Linux. I can understand that CWA cannot do everything for ma, Why don't they let other motivated users do??

Just a reflexion..
eric

at0m · Post by **at0m** » Sun May 02, 2004 10:14 am

Yea man life isnt fair. I got same amount of dsp as you, but only one board with keys, so only one plugin at 50%.

Want to change this, get a job @ CWA

astroman · Post by **astroman** » Sun May 02, 2004 10:42 am

first of all: welcome Eric

2nd: you're writing complete bullshit
3rd: my answer isn't your fault at all - and the welcome above is without any sarcasm.

I just had to write this, even without the usual * covering of improper language because I'm still under the impression of some details about selling devices on this platform.
I really hadn't expected such a shocking low level

It's up to the users of this platform to make it grow, not on some wild phantsies - and it looks like the system is a great studio tool and as such widely accepted in both home and pro studios.

But beyond that point - beyond bread and butter (or fish and potatoe) stuff ?

It's names what sells, nothing but image - (for example) the STW Reverb may become a success because it serves the Lexicon paradigm, not because it's such a nice sounding tool.
If someone comes up with a Pultec or Fairchild or whatever lookalike it will be the same. Get a worldclass named piece of gear for bargain in your virtual rack.
That sells, not facts or quality.

It's not usual at all that a piece of software like DP is released to the public - under whatever conditions.
Imho (because I cannot speak for CWA) it's release is a 2 sided sword:
on one hand they cannot afford to loose professional developers, and there's a high degree of professionalism needed in this market segment...
on the other hand it is a great way of attracting new customers - or to exploit the company's assets further without additional investments (if you prefer).

Be gracious to CWA for 'ignoring' your stuff - it might have been a very unpleasant awakening otherwise. Seriously.

cheers, Tom

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Basic Pitch · Post by **Basic Pitch** » Sun May 02, 2004 11:28 am

I think one thing people never consider regarding SDK is the fact that certain synths are designed to run on a specific DSP chip, atleast thats what I was told a long time ago by CWA when deciding what card to buy, of course any synth can run on and DSP but from what I was told I guess some may be written to work on lets say DSP #9.

Now if that actually IS the case, could it be that certain modules in the SDK are also written to be set on X DSP? In that regard it makes sense why you are required to have a 14/15 DSP card, with out the DSP/X beyond #6 you may not have the the specific (again as what I was told back in the day) DSP to maximize performance of said synths.

Just another theory

Cheers!

at0m · Post by **at0m** » Sun May 02, 2004 11:35 am

DP can run on any CW dsp card, from Luna to Scope. It just takes the right key

Give CW some time, it's a big step already releasing DP to a wider user base. Remember that before it was nearly impossible to get your hands on DP, you had to know the right people and/or proove CW you had the skills...

Immanuel · Post by **Immanuel** » Sun May 02, 2004 3:39 pm

What do you expect to achieve by going to us phatbob?

phatbob · Post by **phatbob** » Sun May 02, 2004 4:01 pm

On 2004-05-02 16:39, Immanuel wrote:
What do you expect to achieve by going to us phatbob?

I don't expect any thing by going to you, except having a discussion about something I found realy unfair. By the way, I now do unferstand some reason why CWA will give the SDK only to 15 DSP onwner: to be sure the devices can run on 15... But, in that sens and mathematicaly, 3 time 6 equal 18. isn't it? SO, well.
But I still don't catch wha't behin that. If CWA want (and it IS good in some way) keep the development in the hand of professionnal developers, it may be also a clever idea to attract enthousiastic new commers who may, one day, become professional developer...
Anyway, thank for the first sentence on the second reply. My first post after mounth reading Planet Z.

Just a reflexion

eric

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Immanuel · Post by **Immanuel** » Sun May 02, 2004 4:15 pm

On 2004-05-02 17:01, phatbob wrote:
I don't expect any thing by going to you, except having a discussion about something I found realy unfair.

... sounds like "stir up some noise" about something, wich we can do next to nothing about anyway.

You may have another agenda, but we have seen plenty of new users making a lot of noise and fueling tension about issues we can not change anyway.

To what good I wonder?

symbiote · Post by **symbiote** » Sun May 02, 2004 11:08 pm

simple solution: sell your 3/4/6 dsps boards, and buy a single 15 dsp board. they are lovely and very friendly!

Shayne White · Post by **Shayne White** » Mon May 03, 2004 12:03 am

Selling used boards? Good luck.