Linux... how to start off?

borg · Post by **borg** » Thu Apr 15, 2004 7:14 pm

right, with linux for Scope on it's way, it might be a good idea to start getting ourselves informed.

first of all: what kind of hardware is required? can you have windows/macOS/OSX on different partitions on the same machine? also: where to find essential reading matter? (dis)advantages? is it only for the brave at heart and the techy kind of guys? learning curves? ... you get the idea.

maybe a lot of info to be covered in one thread (yet another forum, john?

), so some well put concise words of advise with links might get us on our way.

anyone?

borg · Post by **borg** » Thu Apr 15, 2004 7:19 pm

initial linux thread on Z:
http://www.planetz.com/forums/viewtopic ... =5&start=0

http://www.linux-sound.org/
http://www.mandrakelinux.com/en/

some linux audio apps:
Rosegarden-4 - http://www.all-day-breakfast.com/rosegarden/
MusE - http://lmuse.sourceforge.net/
Ardour - http://www.ardour.org/
Jazz++ - http://jazzware.com/

sos article:
http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/Feb03/a ... xaudio.asp

wsippel · Post by **wsippel** » Thu Apr 15, 2004 8:50 pm

Distros (suited for audio):
Agnula - http://www.agnula.org/
Debian - http://www.debian.org/
Gentoo - http://www.gentoo.org/

More audio apps:
JAMin - http://jamin.sourceforge.net/
JACK - http://jackit.sourceforge.net/

LADSPA plugins:
Steve - http://www.plugin.org.uk/

Supported soundcards:
http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/in ... vendor=All

General info:
http://www.linuxmusician.org/

Rosegarden-4 has a new website:
http://www.rosegardenmusic.com/

Some general info coming later...

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Micha · Post by **Micha** » Fri Apr 16, 2004 4:20 am

sorry, Andy, Linux is a replacement for XP, not for OSX. Or the other way round: why should a Mac user replace OSX with Linux?
So the normal config is to have a partition with Linux, another with XP or better: a virtual machine inside Linux containing XP. A good VM is available from VMWare.
But they also do not support OSX. A different machine would be necessary to run it. It is a matter of the differences in the architecture of Macs and Intels. Edit: The most important is the order how a byte is formed: Macs do bits 12345678, Intels do 56781234.
So I ask, why no "OSX for Intel" or, more IT fashioned, OSX x86?
I'd buy probably immediately to have Spark XL.

[ This Message was edited by: Micha on 2004-04-16 05:28 ]

kensuguro · Post by **kensuguro** » Fri Apr 16, 2004 6:11 am

I was thinking of buying a cheap second hand laptop to test run agnula, and integrate it into my work environment if it was good. Has anyone had experience with Linux audio applications? I know Jmax runs really nice in Linux. What about the others?

giucant · Post by **giucant** » Fri Apr 16, 2004 7:16 am

Check out this live distro, suited for audio and multimedia purposes...
http://www.dynebolic.org/

Really useful to try out linux a/v features... It support *AUTOMATICALLY* most of common hardware, so you can use without first became an haker...

W MEDIA ACTIVISM!
bye
giucant

wsippel · Post by **wsippel** » Fri Apr 16, 2004 9:51 am

Linux is also available as OSX replacement (or for G3/ G4/ G5/ PPC/ PPC970 in general):
Yellow Dog - http://www.yellowdoglinux.com/
Gentoo PPC - http://www.gentoo.org/

The nice thing about Linux on PPC is MoL (Mac on Linux). It's no virtual machine like VMWare (no hardware emulation), but a native speed OS9 or OSX on top of Linux PPC, and it's possible to use OS9, OSX and Linux on the machine AT THE SAME TIME. Check:
http://www.maconlinux.org/
Another nice thing about MoL is that you can use OSX on non-Apple PPC's (like PegasOS, MorphOS, Motorola PCC and IBM PPC workstations), some of 'em are cheaper than Apple's hardware, and they use standard PC parts (eg ATX boards). A lot of hardware that is unsupported on OSX is supported on Linux/ PPC.

Linux works on almost _any_ hardware out there, except for recent Silicon Graphics MIPS: x86, AMD64, PPC, Sparc, MIPS, 68k, Power4, Hitachi SHx, Itanium, Alpha, ARM, xScale... heck, it even works on IPods, Nintendo Gamecube, SEGA Dreamcast and Sony PS2!

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mythalethe · Post by **mythalethe** » Sat Apr 17, 2004 12:00 am

Just want to verify that Gentoo linux runs beautifully on Mac hardware. It is a cool OS that can be compiled from the kernel up optimized on your particular machine. The implications this gives for speed and stability are obvious!

-myth

bassdude · Post by **bassdude** » Sat Apr 17, 2004 7:28 am

...
Another nice thing about MoL is that you can use OSX on non-Apple PPC's (like PegasOS, MorphOS, ...

I didn't think there was a PegasOS!!?? And don't forget AmigaOS (alpha dev just went gold).

wsippel · Post by **wsippel** » Sat Apr 17, 2004 10:47 am

Yes, you're right - Pegasos is the hardware, MorphOS is the OS... And of course it will also work on AmigaONE, but then again, AmigaONE (the hardware) is far more expensive compared to Pegasos boards (as far as I remember)...