Software compressors

rodos1979 · Post by **rodos1979** » Sat Feb 14, 2004 11:26 pm

Hello!

I tried once the demo of Vinco and liked it. However, I was not too impressed by it. Just liked it... but with only 1 hour I did not have the opportunity to try it to all sorts of different sources, etc. I have heard millions of times about how good the UAD-1 compressors are and that the card worths its money even for the compressors only.
I was wondering how do the UAD-1 compressors compare to Vinco or to the Waves compressors?
If we dont take money into consideration, which piece of software is of the best quality?
Do any of you have experience with all three of them? Which one do you prefer?

Thank you

wayne · Post by **wayne** » Sun Feb 15, 2004 1:10 am

this is a fairly recent discussion on this.

I want one!

oh, here's another

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interloper · Post by **interloper** » Sun Feb 15, 2004 1:28 am

I didn't really appreciate Vinco until I started to use it right. Can't really compare it to VST compressors, as it's transparency is perhaps it's best feature, putting it in a class of it's own.

Can't speak on the UAD comp, but I'll take Eric's word for it.

wayne · Post by **wayne** » Sun Feb 15, 2004 1:39 am

On 2004-02-15 01:28, interloper wrote:
I didn't really appreciate Vinco until I started to use it right. Can't really compare it to VST compressors, as it's transparency is perhaps it's best feature, putting it in a class of it's own.

i agree.

braincell · Post by **braincell** » Sun Feb 15, 2004 2:00 am

How can it be transparent when it was made to have a vintage sound?

wayne · Post by **wayne** » Sun Feb 15, 2004 5:45 am

it's got vintage transparency, of course

interloper · Post by **interloper** » Sun Feb 15, 2004 10:59 am

On 2004-02-15 02:00, braincell wrote:
How can it be transparent when it was made to have a vintage sound?

Well, run a drumloop through the old stock CW compressors. Mess with the attack and release drastically.

Repeat with the Vinco, and you'll see what I mean. No click, scratch, snap, crackle, or pop...

rodos1979 · Post by **rodos1979** » Sun Feb 15, 2004 6:35 pm

Hello!

Wayne, thank you for the links! For some strange reason, the "Search" function yields me all the recent posts, including those that are completely irrelevent to my keyword... anyway....

I ll have a look at the links now... BTW, in my personal oppinion, the stock SFP compressors are useless...

next to nothing · Post by **next to nothing** » Sun Feb 15, 2004 6:47 pm

On 2004-02-15 18:35, rodos1979 wrote:

BTW, in my personal oppinion, the stock SFP compressors are useless...

I wouldnt say udeless myself, i would need to pay quite much for a matching VST i think.

husker · Post by **husker** » Sun Feb 15, 2004 11:12 pm

haven't tried it yet, but good comments on a free compressor here:

http://www.planetz.com/forums/viewtopic ... 16&start=0

p.s. yikes! that's a very old thread...

new one here:

http://www.planetz.com/forums/viewtopic ... orum=16&12

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dehuszar · Post by **dehuszar** » Mon Feb 16, 2004 8:26 am

D-Comp kicks ass. I use it instead of Vinco when I want a cleaner sound. The combo is pretty swell.

Sam

Ricardo · Post by **Ricardo** » Mon Feb 16, 2004 9:09 am

I have tried Vinco, Compressor X and all the SX, pulsar generic stuff. The Vinco I find great for Vox, acoustic guitar etc and is quite warm. Comp X is better for less dynamic stuff.
The Timeworks mastering comps are however my favourites if I've got enough DSP to spare.

braincell · Post by **braincell** » Mon Feb 16, 2004 9:30 am

Transparent means it doesn't color the sound. Having no clicks or pops should be expected from *any* device. Let's just say the other CW comps suck. As usual, CW expects you to pay a lot extra for a decent device just as you get the crappy synths in the SFP platform but you have to pay much more for the minimax (a synth that sounds as good as a hardware synth).

On 2004-02-15 10:59, interloper wrote:
On 2004-02-15 02:00, braincell wrote:
How can it be transparent when it was made to have a vintage sound?
Well, run a drumloop through the old stock CW compressors. Mess with the attack and release drastically.

Repeat with the Vinco, and you'll see what I mean. No click, scratch, snap, crackle, or pop...

AndreD · Post by **AndreD** » Mon Feb 16, 2004 10:29 am

...did you tried the "other side"

http://www.digitalfishphones.com

best,
andre

valis · Post by **valis** » Mon Feb 16, 2004 11:07 am

On 2004-02-16 09:30, braincell wrote:
Transparent means it doesn't color the sound. Having no clicks or pops should be expected from *any* device. Let's just say the other CW comps suck. As usual, CW expects you to pay a lot extra for a decent device just as you get the crappy synths in the SFP platform but you have to pay much more for the minimax (a synth that sounds as good as a hardware synth).

Who do you work for man? Almost every single thread you've posted in the last several months has been bashing everything Creamware & SFP. Do us and yourself a favor and sell your board & move on, you're obviously not happy. Normally I don't flame this overtly but this is becoming as tiresome as another certain member who eventually had to be removed. 99% of what you say isn't just criticism, its completely unproductive and adds nothing more than "this all sucks!"

Incidentally much like Logic's silver compressor and most of Steinberg's stock stuff the stock CW compressors etc. work just fine for generic applications, ie: when you want to compress a lead use something else but if its a background element or less important then you can use 'stock' devices and conserve dsp (or cpu with native apps) and just be careful with the settings. The critique would simply be that they're rather generic and a bit sensitive so one would tend to use them less as one's dsp palette expands.

nuf said

wayne · Post by **wayne** » Mon Feb 16, 2004 12:15 pm

Yep.

'nuff hating, bc, time to balance it up.

dbmac · Post by **dbmac** » Mon Feb 16, 2004 12:25 pm

On 2004-02-16 09:30, braincell wrote:
Transparent means it doesn't color the sound. Having no clicks or pops should be expected from *any* device.

I've got numerous compressors, hard and soft, RNC, TC Finalizer, Vinco, all the STW Series3.2, as well as Samplitude, CubaseSX and Wavelab devices. They are ALL capable of producing clicks/pops, grainy sound or other artifacts under the right (wrong) circumstances.
Each compressor has it's characteristics and strengths, and some of the CW devices, especially Vinco, STW MComp, and the CW Optimaster are superior.

On 2004-02-16 11:07, valis wrote:
Who do you work for man? Almost every single thread you've posted in the last several months has been bashing everything Creamware & SFP.

I think Braincell considers his posts are constructive criticism. I don't think he is aware of how offensive his invective is.

/dave

braincell · Post by **braincell** » Mon Feb 16, 2004 1:32 pm

I love the Creamware system. I don't use the CW virtual synthesizers because my hardware synths sound way better. I use the STS series because I can take advantage of my massive amount of RAM. I don't like the tedious STS interface (as other people have pointed out).

I don't think just gushing about how great Creamware is will help anybody. Sometimes the attitude towards me is reminiscent of the "Love it or leave it" mentality American rednecks have when an American is critical of the United States. I live here because I was born here and I'm not moving.

The STS system offers musicians a wonderful, unique and highly versatile way of making music, but Creamware is a very poorly run company. It would be a shame if it goes the way of Waldorf.

Wasn't Waldorf also protected by the exact same German bankruptcy laws that are to supposedly geared to help companies in such a favorable way? Like Creamware, Waldorf had fantastic products and like Creamware they had mostly expensive products. It's obvious to us that it is worth the extra price however somehow and most importantly the public didn't buy enough of them. No matter how incredible the merchandise is, a company needs to sell a lot of product to survive. This is basic economics.

rodos1979 · Post by **rodos1979** » Mon Feb 16, 2004 4:48 pm

Hello!

I am now downloading the freeware SFP and VST plugins that you ve suggested. I ll try them out to see how they perform and let you know my impressions.

...Now, as far as the quality of stock SFP plug-ins is concerned... I agree that they could be more less OK for background tracks...They certainly are no worse (but no better either) than stock SX plugins!
The only stock SFP plugin that stands out to my opinion (it is almost the ONLY ONE I use) is PEQ4. I sometimes use the E-Reflector too and more rarely the delays... But the rest of the stock SFP plugins, I dont use them. I dont use the synths either. I am not a synth guy anyway, but if I want synths I use my Korg Karma.

...Actually, I am going to open now a new thread/poll about which stock SFP plugins you people find useful...

interloper · Post by **interloper** » Tue Feb 17, 2004 1:35 am

On 2004-02-16 13:32, braincell wrote:
I don't think just gushing about how great Creamware is will help anybody. Sometimes the attitude towards me is reminiscent of the "Love it or leave it" mentality American rednecks have when an American is critical of the United States. I live here because I was born here and I'm not moving.

Quoi? I'm not sure we're talking about the same thing. I think people are referring to the constant urination into our communal corn flakes, as it were. You're comments would be better received if they were based on facts, and clearly defined, not justified by simply saying "this sucks and that's the end of it. Long live the USA and freedom of speech."

Wasn't Waldorf also protected by the exact same German bankruptcy laws that are to supposedly geared to help companies in such a favorable way? Like Creamware, Waldorf had fantastic products and like Creamware they had mostly expensive products. It's obvious to us that it is worth the extra price however somehow and most importantly the public didn't buy enough of them. No matter how incredible the merchandise is, a company needs to sell a lot of product to survive. This is basic economics.

Two totally different animals, two businesses with a different approaches on how to generate revenue. Rumor has it that many other hardware synth manufacturers are in trouble, clearly demonstrating that the industry was, is, and will be in a state of flux. What do the German laws have anything to do with this argument? Isn't Creamware solvent again? Why is this brought up, over, and over, and over... the horse has been beaten into Kibbles and Bits.