it's getting cold...

[garyb]

On the other hand there must be then an extreme overspending of resources by the middle class to reach that high average.

no, not the middle class, the UPPER class. the middle class only dreams of the excess that creditcards and mortgages will never allow.

don't worry, a little country like Dubai can put us all to shame when it comes to excess.

[Zer]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zORv8wwiadQ

[Me$$iah]

Can anyone say Pascals Wager for Hippies


That video is stupid!!

He askes the question 'whats the worst that can happen??'
and then totally fails to answer it.

He didnt think that maybe colum A, may indeed not lead to a smiley face, or just economic problems, but instead to a world of absolute totalitarian control. With the population reduced, by design, to only 500 million.

I think thats a bit worse than a smiley face, but then I dont know, I mean whats the worst that can happen



Pascal was wrong with his wager, this guy his wrong with his


EDIT: I mistyped A as B ... damn me

[Cochise]

On some posts in this thread you were about the advisability of an increase of the international cooperation.

In terms of sort of control exerted by an authority that, far from the local self-interests, wiseness pursue the common interest, I think a serious control is needed; here at least. Saying serious I mean really professional and absolutely not heavily invasive; kind of control taking properly in account local characteristics and interest, of course.
Bureaucratic machineries should have to move faster, however.
Going to consider the deterioration in all its sides as a concrete issue, I can't see way out without a central authority constituted by the cooperating parts.
It's obvious that If I want my enterprise produces having the minimum environmental impact in terms of any kind of toxic scraps, if I want my enterprise been in order from every point of view, I need all the market being well regulated and controlled, otherwise the competition will kick me out.
If all the runner are doped except me, I'm out of the race in advance. A sound and watching regulation do not damage the competition, the real best will win.
But the race times will be higher; like the prices, in a market needing lowers.
And it remains the serious matter: who'll be there making the rules and who making them respected.


Gary, I don't feel myself unworthy of living in Darwinian sense. My father's generation grew up with strict life conditions during a age and in a place where medical cares were quite empirical and rudimentary, where the only and very rare drug available was the quinine.
As sons of a generation that was rather natural selected, mine should be a philogenetically strong generation... of course some of us should not survived living the same conditions... but this kind of discussion could requires statistic numbers or it remains without a weight..

[garyb]

???

[garyb]

huh?
not only am i NOT especially greedy(no one's perfect), but i'm also relatively happy, especially having woken up in a mild nightmare. however, the truly greedy would not find having to give up one of the PRIME required traits for a ruler.

once again, all this is brainwashing. you have been encouraged to blame your own kind who were born into a system that they didn't make nor understand, while there are those who PLAN all these changes to the system. they are to blame. or are you paid to finger your brothers and sisters for just wanting a nice life just like you do? what is a nice life? it depends on the stories and values programmed in during childhood.

put the blame where it belongs. there are those that own EVERYTHING. all the oil, gas, diamonds, silver, gold, rubies, money, land, EVERYTHING........except they own everything through intimidation and usurption(does the queen really have more right to clean water than me? let me answer, HELL, NO!), so let them give it up. and then they won't have to worry about people kicking their ass. then they won't need those bodygaurds and high walls and pr machines and b*llSh*t fantasies and we can have a nice life, but for God's sake! let's at least face facts. all we're going to get is the next Hitler, but this next time, full scientific effort will be placed on making this world system permanent.

otherwise, kinda rainy here, the wettest winter in maybe 10 years. it's kinda nice for the desert to get water. i guess this means an ant and fly explosion this summer, i hope not... of course after those fires, there should be massive growth this spring. uh, oh! more fires next year? and earthquakes and still people keep moving here!

[garyb]

sure, but not to fanaticism or blame, unless it's towards men who make lying movies about polar bears and tells me i have to cut back and then uses $30,000 worth of electricity in just one month at just ONE of his residences.....

[Cochise]

... i guess this means an ant and fly explosion this summer, i hope not...

Any radioactive mosquito there?

In a reduced scale, but we have the same here: heartquakes, cold, immigrants and fires.



Gary, post a pic of your car, please. Have you anyway modified the injectors?

Water powered diesel could really save us, man! It could help to reduce the ocean level

[Zer]

That car already exists: http://www.wasserauto.de

[Cochise]

Wolfgang Czapp: So funktioniert das Wasserauto:

Macht es doch nicht so kompliziert! Wasserautos laufen nicht mit Explosion des Knallgases, sondern mit Implosion komprimierter Äther-Energie. Beweise: Der Motor wird kalt ,und läuft mit sehr viel Vorzündung, er könnte nie mit der geringen Menge Knallgas laufen. Daniel Dingles Wasserauto: Der Reaktor ist ein faradäischer Käfig. Im ihm wird eine normale Elektrolyse mit 12 Volt und 5 Amper vollzogen. Um der Elektrolyseeinheit befindet sich eine selbstschwingende Spule von nur wenigen Windungen. Diese Spule schwingt in Resonanz mit der Äther-Energie. Diese Energie wird durch den Edelstahlbehälter in das Innere zurückreflektiert, und gibt somit verstärkt die Engie auf die Elektrolyse ab. Das mit Energie versetzte Knallgas, welches mit Auspuffluft gemischt wird, saugt der Motor an. Nach zwei drittel des Kompressionsvorganges wird die konzentrierte Äther-Ladung gezündet, und kondensiert in Form einer Inplosion.

Also wie Daniel Dingel mehrfach sagte,...sehr simpel !!!

Would you translate, Zer, please..

I still have problems with English, and I just know less than 20 words of German (except for those having common root with languages I know)

[Zer]

uh...

ok I´ll try it:

Don`t panic! the h2ocars do not run by explosions of the electrolytic gas.
They are running using the implosion of compressed ether energy [...]

http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/webl ... /1209/P20/

http://educate-yourself.org/cn/hydrogen ... pr06.shtml

http://inventors.about.com/od/filipinos ... Dingel.htm

[garyb]

Cochise,
my car is nothing special. it's just an '85 mercedes 300D. the only alteration is a bigger fuel filter.....

[Cochise]

About the greed:

I sucks at Economies, although I've a diploma in it, but... it looks like our national economies are deeply based on the gross internal product, so the greed of the mass is heavily pumped "as statute".

[added] Since G.I.P. ain't goods or services, I should had to say: our national economies are measured in terms of G.I.P. [/added]

Changes toward a cleaner direction may mean increase of production costs and decrease of the products quantity.
The tendency of the current economical politics is diametrically opposed. Actually economical politics is the cornerstone of the whole politics.




I use to drive a 2002 VW Lupo 1.4 gary, but it runs using 98 octane (even 96 since only a couple of fuel station has the 98 , which is sold at slightly higher price)

[skwawks]

This summer down here by now we would have had the air conditioner going flat out for most of the last month ...instead we've actually had the heater going on quite a few nights
I remember a few summers like this about 30 years ago . "Plus ca change plus ca meme chose"
BTW 30 years ago I wouldn't have been able or interested to know what the weather was in norway or the north pole and neither would anybody else without a lot of personal effort and expense
Paul

[Zer]

I`ve got a bycicle

[Cochise]

I've got a bicycle too, but I breath in too much waste gas using it in town; there are no areas forbidden to the cars here.
Nevertheless it's hard to pedal when I come back taking in provisions.

The one and only cycle track is out of the city. People here see the bicycle as a relaxation tool only, despite the town has not a large extension and it's mostly on the plain.

What about the water car? is it real or is it a legend, in your opinion?

[garyb]

it works the same way as a diesel. extreme compression makes lots of heat which turns the water into vapor immediately. the hot air and water vapor mixture expands rapidly and moves the vehicle.

in a diesel, compression makes heat which ignites and air/oil(or kerosene) mix. the air/oil fireball expands rapidly moving the vehicle....

a normal gasoline motor has a spark plug because it uses much less compression(5-10 to 1 as opposed to 15-20 to1 for diesel) and so needs a more volatile fuel and spark to ignite the mixture and get hot gas to expand and then move the vehicle.

[Zer]