Can Scope do a lush pad like this?

synthetic88 · Post by **synthetic88** » Mon Jun 18, 2007 8:59 am

slammah2012 wrote:The CS80 had 16 of these filters with independent Aftertouch and a CS exclusive Envelope ...How would you approach this???

A big credit card...

Or perhaps Solaris will add Yamaha filters.

slammah2012 · Post by **slammah2012** » Sat Jun 23, 2007 1:46 pm

Solaris has unfortunately rolled over and shrugged on the "PolyAftertouch" Question by saying it is to expensive...So If they get CS filters, the sound will be nice but the expressive control will be gone......They also don't want multi-timbreality

BTW Arturia Origin Keyboard only transmits channel aftertouch, but the Brains and filters do respond to polyphonic midi messages so my quest is not in vain with Them.....they support 4 seperate instruments and are multi-timbreal

And the Sharc DSP should quieten all of the "Anti-aliases" you want to throw back at me.....

astroman · Post by **astroman** » Sat Jun 23, 2007 2:53 pm

there is no Sharc DSP inside the Arturia thing - it's 2 TigerSharcs
afaik the 'regular' Sharc audio library doesn't exist for the latter, which originally had a completely different target market.
They don't even share the same machine code

I don't care if a processor does aliasing or not - in fact I like the converters in the original DX 7 and I'd defend the Waldorf Wavetables' aliasing any time against fake-smoothing them by increased samplerate... butt

the point is that Arturia (or their Press agents) claim that their processing is sooo good and sooo analog-like that aliasing doesn't exist. Rubbish, as usual.

If you have cash to spend it's no my business - I contribute some impressions because there may be more people asking themselves similiar questions about what to buy
Solaris has been introduced at the Messe with say 15% of the features available and it was deeply impressing - even more when some visitors who were more sophisticated than myself played it.
It IS a new dimension in Sharc sound

Arturia is just warming up a stew of their PC modules - and they ALWAYS have promised more than they eventually fullfilled - the decision is at the customer

cheers, Tom

hifiboom · Post by **hifiboom** » Sat Jun 23, 2007 3:00 pm

astroman wrote:
Arturia is just warming up a stew of their PC modules - and they ALWAYS have promised more than they eventually fullfilled - the decision is at the customer

cheers, Tom

well said.

erminardi · Post by **erminardi** » Sat Jun 23, 2007 4:12 pm

A******a sucks!

hifiboom · Post by **hifiboom** » Sat Jun 23, 2007 4:33 pm

erminardi wrote:A******a sucks!

hey,
I think you are drunk!

Its saturday and this is just normal...

johnbowen · Post by **johnbowen** » Sat Jun 23, 2007 10:36 pm

slammah2012 wrote:Solaris has unfortunately rolled over and shrugged on the "PolyAftertouch" Question by saying it is to expensive...So If they get CS filters, the sound will be nice but the expressive control will be gone......They also don't want multi-timbreality

Hi slammah,

I don't think I ever said the Solaris would not handle poly AT over MIDI, or that it was too expensive - the real problem is that there are no available keyboard beds that we can purchase to put in the Solaris that can send poly AT, as far as I have been told.

re: Multitimbre capability - Actually, I did post that we are hoping for a 4 part capability, but I can't promise it for the first release yet.

regards,
john b.

slammah2012 · Post by **slammah2012** » Sat Jun 23, 2007 11:33 pm

I don't think I ever said the Solaris would not handle poly AT over MIDI, or that it was too expensive - the real problem is that there are no available keyboard beds that we can purchase to put in the Solaris that can send poly AT, as far as I have been told.

Thats great news if you are implying It will respond to polyAT over midi...
and the multitimbre news is also new to me.........
I must have been looking at your older posts recently ....

dawman · Post by **dawman** » Sun Jun 24, 2007 7:07 am

The only recent controller made I am aware of that has Poly AT keyboard was the MC3000. It has 64 programmable curves, 12 which are factory, and 48 user. I bought it for it's ability to run racks full of synths and samplers, 128 MIDI channels, and 8 x 2 MIDI patchbay.

When I use it w/ Solaris you can hear it's POLY AT @ work. I asked John if I had discovered a neat flaw at first as I was baffled by the way I could use one preset, and w /the left / lower four voices, have an evolving pad, and the right two voices strike harder giving me louder, brighter sound. But all in the same preset which was an evolving attack when played soft, but at higher velocities shortens the attack. It is my favorite swell pad @ the moment. When I use the right amount of velocity, all of the notes swell at seperate times instead of being re-triggered.

It is definately a great performance feature. It gives the illusion of a 2 zone synth all in one preset. That is why it is so desirable to me. But it gave me a hernia in Janurary with it's 100 lb. weight, and 40 lb. anvil case. That is it's Achilles Heel. But my rig on the big jobs will use the MC3000, the Solaris ( hardware ), and 2 x KS 88's, along with the 28U SKB Main Battle Tank.

Peace Through Superior Firepower,

slammah2012 · Post by **slammah2012** » Sun Jun 24, 2007 7:54 am

It is definately a great performance feature. It gives the illusion of a 2 zone synth all in one preset. That is why it is so desirable to me. But it gave me a hernia in Janurary with it's 100 lb. weight, and 40 lb. anvil case. That is it's Achilles Heel. But my rig on the big jobs will use the MC3000, the Solaris ( hardware ), and 2 x KS 88's, along with the 28U SKB Main Battle Tank.

POLYPHONIC aftertouch is an awsome control feature, which is strangely found in heavier synthbeds....(less the SQ80 type)
But the weight is not in the polyAT switches and circuitry, but the Asses of todays lazy keyboard manufacturers who only desire selling to the rotations of entry level musicians, as that is the deepest pocket of ching for them...
.......in ......and out.....[/quote]

husker · Post by **husker** » Sun Jun 24, 2007 2:38 pm

erminardi wrote:A******a sucks!

hwat? Andromeda sucks?!?

hifiboom · Post by **hifiboom** » Sun Jun 24, 2007 2:44 pm

lol ...

who sucks?

husker · Post by **husker** » Sun Jun 24, 2007 2:48 pm

the thing that killed Poly AT was the patents that Ensonic had on the cheap way of doing it...

and lack of market demand that was prepared to pay extra for it

The Andromeda was was always planned to receive Poly AT, but they never got it going - but not that many people noticed. They couldn't have the keyboard support it, as Fatar, etc just don't make Poly AT boards

slammah2012 · Post by **slammah2012** » Sun Jun 24, 2007 4:55 pm

husker wrote:the thing that killed Poly AT was the patents that Ensonic had on the cheap way of doing it...

and lack of market demand that was prepared to pay extra for it

The Andromeda was was always planned to receive Poly AT, but they never got it going - but not that many people noticed. They couldn't have the keyboard support it, as Fatar, etc just don't make Poly AT boards

the "Ensoniq patent" which was a lousy attempt for a polyAT board did not kill polyAT ......,there was the A50 and A80,GEM, the Kurzweill midi board had a much superior mechanical system which actually released when the pressure did like on the CS80s arched rubber carbon contact......so simple and responsive.. an arched piece of rubber, coated with carbon on the underside, set atop a row of contacts.....Compression from the key directly above would cause more contact and thusly, less resistance....... and there's your control......PolyAT.....there are pictures of its circuitry online,
A Much better aproach than the clicky Ensoniq way...... ahem (I do own an SQ80)

polyphonic Aftertouch boards I am aware of....

Sequential Circuits Prophet-T8, vintage synthesizer, weighted keys and release velocity.
Yamaha DX1, weighted keys, Yamaha CS80
http://www.harmonycentral.com/Synth/Dat ... X1-01.html
SynthAxe, guitar like controller, http://www.hollis.co.uk/john/synthaxe.html
General Music GEM S Series workstations, http://www.generalmusic.com/gem/s/techspec.htm
Ensoniq SQ80, http://www.harmonycentral.com/Synth/Dat ... 80-01.html
Ensoniq VFX, http://www.cassiel.com/gearhead/vfx.html
Ensoniq VFX-SD, http://www.pconline.com/~rohrwerk/synthnorg/synths.html
Roland A-80, has real poly aftertouch. A-80 & A-50 info
Kurzweil MidiBoard

husker · Post by **husker** » Sun Jun 24, 2007 5:26 pm

+ ELKA MK55 and MK88

http://www.keyboardmuseum.org/ar/e/elka/mk55.html

astroman · Post by **astroman** » Mon Jun 25, 2007 1:01 pm

I have a 55 but never cared about that feature... what an ignorant I am

husker · Post by **husker** » Mon Jun 25, 2007 1:28 pm

exactly right....most people don't really care about poly AT and are not prepared to pay for it (as it is not cheap)

John Bowen also mentioned on his forum that they would like to do poly AT in the Solaris, but there is no poly AT keyboard bed available to use (he is using a Fatar unit)

dawman · Post by **dawman** » Mon Jun 25, 2007 1:42 pm

There is a way of achieving psuedo Poly AT in Bowens synths. Check out the pressure parameters on the ProWave for instance.

Mr Arkadin · Post by **Mr Arkadin** » Mon Jun 25, 2007 1:53 pm

i'm sure the Solaris' expressive capabilities and sound generation will be far in advance of anything by Arturia - there stuff really is overrated - and you know that with John Bowen you can directly contact him with ideas.

husker · Post by **husker** » Mon Jun 25, 2007 2:16 pm

Especially when you consider the amount of horsepower John has got to play with in that thing:

"The hardware Solaris has the equivalent of approximately 6 Scope boards (the 14 DSP cards), so 6 x 14 = 84 Scope generation DSPs - but remember, you would have to be running your Scope Project at 96 kHz as well... "