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potential customers don`t ask, just buy!
no loops may be used - why?
reverbs only use as aux fx send,
its law ! will you ever understand !?

stupid friends, dont put shit post on DAS !
stupid friends, dont put shit post on DAS !

those guis claim GUIs important,
at first learn 0dbfs to understand !
just buy right now, you won`t regret,
a little clipping will sound fat.

stupid friends, dont put shit post on DAS !
stupid friends, dont put shit post on DAS !

rendre a cesar ce qui lui appartient,
so look where all your money is spend.
stay on your place and read my post,
99 is cheap, thats what it cost !

stupid friends, dont put shit post on DAS !

and YET ANOTHER thread goes down shit-lane. for FUCKS sake take this discussion elsewere im so FUCKING sick and tired of reading THE SAME FUCKING BASHING (form both sides i have to point out)

I dont FUCKING CARE who started it or anything, we all know the story. We dont need ONE FUCKING PAGE OF BASHING in a thread about winter specials!

sorry 'bout the language. But this is more ruining to the community than any fucking phase test or or GUI rewamp ever will be.

edit: not seen Piddi's

not bad at all, seriously
but you must agree that it automaticly turns out to get a soap with Eric, he's unbeatable, and therefor he's asking for it
We are powerless, in a literair book about virtual internet adventures it wouldn't be believed, but here it happens

Planetz is powerfull due to it's friendly and (social-)intelligent athmosphere, and if you look good to what happens in those infamous threads, Eric should be glad this is not KVR...

Anyway, any, really any reasonable conversation is senseless, he even doesn't understand when someone is actually taking him somehow in protection

A sensitive PR person with the usual forum experience would realize his own returns in max three months I bet.
I really think they have nice or great plugins (ok, the Poltek...looking good yet), but the way they behave (Eric that is) -as a company- is extremely absurd, isn't it
"Buy, you won't regret' is the professional answer to someone who askes for advise and demos...
And that was the best part

dunno, it's hopeless I guess

"Buy, you won't regret' is the professional answer to someone who askes for advise and demos... "

i guess the same thing could be said about cw shop

i must clarify though that i dont support the outburst from any of the "gladiators" though, and i agree that as a public company some adjustments on public relations could be in its rightful place.

i guess the same thing could be said about cw shop

alright, but in a real (yet virtual) thread it's something different
that's what it is all about, it's about communication.
Never seen on the intetrnet such a lack of that (capability) before
Planetz obviously is capable to take heavy insults with a big smile, but you
have to agree something is out of order here
Stone age must do very well, as mony seems to be not an issue here

guys, ..lets face it here, your all being little hitlers, ..you have the command of the english language, he doesn't , ...of course there is communication frustration, ...try getting technical things said in a language whrere you have that challenge, ..you guys sound like democratic rational people , how could you miss the obvious and only be gracious to yourselves.

mccyrano,yes you are on the 5 ...but not on the first place ...
if you really want peace, why don't you erase all your infamous polteq test ? you exactly knows why you let them on planetz and on all forums...
you have pm me ,i accept all you have written in them.but don't be surpised that hubird or someone as stupid as him talk again about that.
i want peace with you,taht's the reason i don't enumerate all bugs on your free plugins.i have test them now,of course and i will keep my result for me,i'm not like you,like the other "hitlers" members here...

so like in numerical there are master and slave clocks ,i will try to use symbol...

the master are :

astroman,hubird,shroomz,mccyrano.

the slaves are :

mr arkadin,hifiboom...

but slaves are not intellegent guis ,they only take the train running,they are so young and stupid and it makes them laughing...

about the masters :

lots of thousand posts in them...a perfect knowelge of forum ! they knows how to shoot a member....befor me it was the stupid shroomz...now,he play their games...they all absolutly pro of forum ...every day on every post ,they are able to write lots wrong tech post like astroman about numeric clock...or mccyrano with the polteq test..because they knows that they are no pro in this forum to undestand what they are writing.....why don't you post in pro forum like gearslutz.com ? some of known pro are there..my english is to poor and no creamware there...so i'm here..
the best manipulator is shroomz,my old fucking brother...all that shit because , i have say no to all his mail in wich ,he and his brother,absolulty wanted to work on the design for scope4live...
hubird...ha hubird..if astroman wasn't here...where were you ....
yes , i'm feel frustrated because i can't understand well all your english post...that's life..i'm not perfect as you are.
but i can understand well when astroman write about me" asshole",when legros write "fuck you..." of course,you quikly erase that ,quote my nervous answer post and after i'm all wrong...

no,you are not stupid , you are only manipulator and so mythoman...but,there is a big difference with you and me ; my life is not on planetz ! i work as a sound engineer and produceur since 28 years,i 'm a true musician,i do plugins for creamware ...and you ?

bye

eric

@astroman , i use a second peuso in my pro life : that's true...i'm rick wilsee (very simple to understand) .like all my friends of stone age ...we have all pseudos.
no need to take lots of forums pseudo to write you what i want like i have just written...even when my login is the name of my compagny ...

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Wired wrote:guys, ..lets face it here, your all being little hitlers, ..you have the command of the english language, he doesn't , ..

this is bare nonsense - for one because all this 'offensivenee' is constructed by Eric himself (not anyone involved here has any interest to 'damage his business - more on that later) and Eric himself refused to take advice about a 'press agent', as he refuses any advice - because he's right. He's the good guy, we're the droogies
he turned it into entertainement, eventually, so what's so bad about that ?

cheers, Tom

MCCYRANO wrote:Yes, eric, I don't know anyothing about the things I am writing. So this should be obvious to anybody. Why could my tests then be a problem? I have the right to question the quality of a plugin. I never flamed you. The discussion took its way, and it was allways possible to go another way.

We - you and me and others - went that way we went together. It was a discussion which started with a simple thesis which was discussed and commented by you in a very polite way. So I started argumenting politely about that thesis and later doing tests ...

Martin

as you like shit test ,why don't you make public the test form my friend uman about you moveq+ ? i have test it and the preset file but as i want peace , uman and i have decided to say nothing...thanks mr martin derknot for your friendly attitude ... uman,is out now...il a ete degouté de vos posts de merde a mon encontre...but where is scoopa2 martin or shroomz...you are only one now isn't it ?

hubird wrote:

i guess the same thing could be said about cw shop

alright, but in a real (yet virtual) thread it's something different
that's what it is all about, it's about communication.
Never seen on the intetrnet such a lack of that (capability) before
Planetz obviously is capable to take heavy insults with a big smile, but you
have to agree something is out of order here
Stone age must do very well, as mony seems to be not an issue here

yes ,hubird has written that...you can accept insult with a big smiley....not me ! an insult like" fuck you "or like all your infamous test are public and can be read by all the world ..it's not a game and i don't accept that.

peace , love, best regards and what you want ...

maintenant en français...

vous n'etes qu'une petite bande de seulement 5 hypochrites sur ce forum,et vous voulez me pourrir la vie , vous avez gagné...
salut a tous,je ne reviendrai plus ici tant que vous continuerez a gerer ce forum,avec ou sans l'accord de son administrateur.
les personnes desireuses d'acheter nos produits savent comment le faire,nous le savons maintenant et elles n'ont pas besoin de ma presence sur ce forum pour les aider,elles connaissent le support das.

merci a tous de la confiance que vous nous portez .

eric

digitalaudiosoft wrote: ...every day on every post ,they are able to write lots wrong tech post like astroman about numeric clock...

before you leave, would you mind to explain (in french if you prefer) what I've written about the 'numeric clock' ?

à bientôt, Tom

Atomic Marshmallow originally asked if a combination of the Vintage Bundle, sl9000 & the optimaster he owns, would be as 'high end' as the BX digital. That question begged for a discussion as to the definition of 'high end' plug-ins for Scope, which I certainly started. It just seems that Eric would rather bicker, quarrel, call us all names, say we're all in league with one-another etc etc and for what reason? Are we a threat to him or his company? Are we causing you to loose sales Eric? I don't think so personally, as I reckon it's got to the stage where YOU can personally loose DAS sales just by opening your mouth / typing. You should be behaving in a professional manner like any other commercial developer here, not foaming at the mouth like a muppet.

That's a bit sad what's happening here...

A few morons on this forum have nothing to do but collect posts.
What differenciate Mc Cyrano plugins from DAS one ?
Don't both have nice GUI and a certain wow factor ?
Did we do phase cancelling test on Mc's plugs ? Should we go on in this way ?

True Das can't communicate in english with the same easiness that a lot of you (and I) do, but putting oil on fire constantly is childish.

I already had my share of fight with the exclusive club mentality happening here and the close mindness of some members.
What's even more obvious, is the hyena style attacks you guys choose ; one bites, a second one then comes behind to bite the other leg etc....

You guys make me puke.

I'm sorry for my part Bifop, It's impossible to keep a conversation civilized here once certain boundaries are passed

Btw. I never made a mystery out of the pros and cons of my plugs (to stay with the high-end-question arraised in this thread.

Phase-tests with my plugs are VERY WELCOME! I'm interesred in improving my devices and knowing their week points. I also answer on specific questions like: Does it work like that? I won't tell all my secrets, but I won't cover any important information.

Of course they are not perfect: For example it is possible to distort the first of the two EQs in one group of MOVEQ+ without seeing it on the meter. But you can easily avoid that by using adequat input gain (you can set it for each 2-EQ-group). The best plugin which solves that problem is in my opinion Wolfs EQ. You can adjust behind which EQ the meter is placed (very intelligent solution!!!!!).

Phasedeleting MOVEQ+ with "normal" parametric creamware EQs will be only possible in a few special settings. It's quite obvious, why. No comment needed.

I think it's very important to discuss the quality of plugins etc. Whatelse should one do in a forum like Planetz?

Martin

yes, and it's absolutely nonsense that Eric started to construct these conspiracy theories of certain members against him or his company - from his very early posts on.
there's no hunting style whatsoever, it's just the normal reaction to a point someone makes - put yourself in a pub with a few folks sitting round a table - there's also some joking going on, in particular if someone happens to (often by accident) make a fool out of himself.
Eric is pretty stunning in this context, as his self-inflicted reaction is so regular it can hardly be called an accident anymore.

He puts me into the position of the top dog, yet if you count all posts of the recent months that dealt in some way with DAS stuff or the 'other' EQ threads you will find only a handful (if any) of mine.
In fact I did stay away from it because I know his reaction, but who am I to be directed by someone of his skills - I made nothing but an ironic sidenote (...cheers for spoiling your own party...) when he constructed the 'Shroomz offence' - which then is called starting a war -LOL

I have been offended (not by his ridiculuous stuff further up - that doesn't count as an offence imho), but about my listening abilities, about my income, the plugins I own, my life, my motivation.
He mocks about my few k posts - well, a good part was written to convince people to support 'their' developers.

[snip]

Did he forget that it was me who justified DAS for their GUI work even if there were nothing else but stock modules below the surface, for the simple fact that you get your results faster ?

[snip]

Do you really think that I'm in need of a virtual 'war' (or want to put down) a company that sells 100 plugins in say 3 month ?
That is nothing else but what made Warp69 and Wavelength leave the platform, and I would have easily taken their side (as I did for every 3rd party developer except one (who's plugins were really bad imho))

That is also the reason why I do not develope for Scope, which I regret as I truely love music.

[snip]

you can definetely count on that I wouldn't want any harm to DAS business, even leaving out the fact that CWA earns by their sales, too, but Eric simply has to accept critical or ironic lines - it's part of every business and you bet that I know much sharper words from face to face negotiations

cheers, Tom

ps: I completely disagree to put these discussions 'under the carpet', if it is a point - it has to be dealt with and worked out
Eric may have a problem with some reading, but he has an even bigger with his ego - nevertheless he is welcome to share his ideas
(I don't like to speak for others - and this 'supposed group' thinking really p*sses me off, btw)

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digitalaudiosoft wrote: the best manipulator is shroomz,my old fucking brother...all that shit because , i have say no to all his mail in wich ,he and his brother,absolulty wanted to work on the design for scope4live...

Nothing could possibly be further from the truth. I don't want to argue with you Eric, but there you go again with your lies and accusations.

Is it not true Eric, that YOU decided we were 'no longer friends of DAS' when we were working on the GUI for Martins MOVEQ+ and refused to defend you in his phase test threads? Then along came Jimmy's mixer. We gave you and Jimmy permission to use our GUI elements for non-commercial purposes as is stated in our Creative Commons license. End of story.

A fact is that Eric is "soupe au lait" (litterally : milk soup) which means he gets red in the face pretty easily taking everything at the "first degree"... Add to this a bit of paranoïa brought by the "what's really under the hood" threads....

More than once have I been embarrassed to read his threads where he unconsciously deteriorated the reputation of his company by his hmm... totally out of it replies.
Best answer to that would be to ignore the infamous post and go on with life...
(this applies to both sides)

Hope Das will come back throught Olive which seems to be more moderated.

What the scope platform needs is more developpers making our investment even more worthwhile in the long term. It is what's been happening lately with Das then, Space F coming with upddates, then Adern goes expanding the Flexor team and working on Flexor 2.0, then Mc Cyrano goes crazy with the CW dev kit and releases some pretty wicked devices, helped by forum members who appear to be very mean graphic designers, then Eminardi talently goes "me too"... etc... javascript:emoticon(':)')

We need everyone's energy !
As hard as it is to apply, "Vivre et laisser vivre" (to live and let live) would be a great motto to remember in such circumstances.

Lets have a big hug and keep on doing music and arts.

Bifop

Lets have a big hug and keep on doing music and arts.

As much as i agree with you, none of Eric's posts have come close to being conciliatory - he has called me various names, not that i'm that sensitive but it's just not etiquette - and that's even disregarding the fact that he should be trying to sell a product to. Maybe his English isn't that good, but i understand 'shit' and 'fuck' and those aren't the words of someone holding a level-headed argument.

Putting everyone else down and proclaimimg himself the only true pro and true musician wreaks of paranoia and egotism. Some olive branch (pun included) may be required before we can discuss things sensibly with Eric again.

Mythoman.