Should I buy a MAC ??

Grok · Post by **Grok** » Tue Mar 04, 2003 7:24 pm

Buy a Mac! It's an order!

When a chance to be happy comes to yourself in your life, don't miss it!

It's a God's gift

So I urge you to not miss this chance in your life, I want you to be happy, coz God is Love

I've just decided I'm gonna buy a Mac tomorrow!

Cheers,
Grok

Mr Arkadin · Post by **Mr Arkadin** » Tue Mar 04, 2003 7:27 pm

You gotta get me whatever shit you're on tonight man! Bloody hell Grok, you're barking!

Grok · Post by **Grok** » Tue Mar 04, 2003 7:35 pm

Hi Tony, hi all, I'm going to sleep and have delightful dreams with plenty of Macs running everywhere

Wish you a good night, it was pleasant to debate with you!

Kind regards,
Grok

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[ This Message was edited by: Grok on 2003-03-05 08:27 ]

Post by **hubird** » Tue Mar 04, 2003 10:30 pm

well, from now on I will ignore him.

Post by **garyb** » Tue Mar 04, 2003 11:28 pm

if you have the money,need a computer and want to.pcs work well too.

Mr Arkadin · Post by **Mr Arkadin** » Wed Mar 05, 2003 7:17 am

To get this BOT (Back On Topic) let me tell you how I ended up on Mac (and happy). A couple of years ago (PIII was just about to come out) we were looking to update our PI for music. We (my music partner and I) came from an Atari/Pro24 background (ask your grandad), so a loyalty to platforms isn't an issue, we just wanna make music. However we were sticking with Cubase (which had just become VST 3.x). I did 3 months(!) research on the internet trying to find the best PC/VST/audio card combination for music (eventually plumping for Pulsar2, which was about to be released). Now I don't know my ASUS from my arse or what IRQs are, but I became a bit of a geek during that time.

After much debating we got pissed off with the whole PC incompatibility thing and got a Mac G4! Well there you go. My point? If you know something about computers then you can probably put together a really good music PC. If you're not remotely a geek then a Mac is easier.

If you look in the Problem Solving section you'll see countless questions on ASUS this, IRQ that, which MOBO, rarely any Mac questions. In Tech Talk you'll see countless talk on how to get the optimal PC (software and hardware), whereas you get one page of how to optimise your Mac (mainly disabling extensions).

However I would question getting the new Macs as I think these are the worst they've ever done and the client backlash will mean that Mac will produce better machines very shortly I'm sure.

Tony R

Grok · Post by **Grok** » Wed Mar 05, 2003 8:26 am

OT: Samplitude 7.1 announced at the MusikMesse

(I'm amazed how quick they are to react at the Magix support, Magix really does a great work for Samplitude, it makes me happy to have bought this tremendous soft)

Informations there:

http://www.planetz.com/forums/viewtopic ... forum=10&0

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BlackSun · Post by **BlackSun** » Thu Mar 06, 2003 4:40 am

On 2003-03-04 07:09, Grok wrote:
Buy a Mac if you like expensive gears...

Buy a Mac if you want a museum piece...

But don't come crying later...

The best things are on PC now; see the price of the Mac's convolution reverb Altiverb by Audioease; see that it's priced half the price of Samplitude Professional 7 that got a much better reverb with it's Room Simulator in real time and also gives you a thousand of other professional features...

Buy a Mac if you're crazy...And if you have too much money

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[ This Message was edited by: Grok on 2003-03-04 07:13 ]

I´m not buying a mac to buy a mac!
I want to do my music with logic!
There seems to be no alternative...
SX craps (not possible to change the position of insert-efx in year 2003 ??????)
My last hope is Nuendo 2.0
Samplitude looks ok but no way to change song-tempo???????

WAKE UP PROGRAMMERS AND DEVELOPERS! WE ARE NOT IN THE EARLY 90s

LOGIC was my god, why do you leave me.

[ This Message was edited by: BlackSun on 2003-03-06 04:46 ]

Grok · Post by **Grok** » Thu Mar 06, 2003 5:52 am

May I give you a personal and friendly advice?

Work with the Logic PC you already have for the MIDI and take a crossgrade (with the Sam for Rent: free upgrades) to Samplitude Professional in the same time; this way you will have a tool far superior to SX and Logic for audio while continuing your work in MIDI with Logic.

Shut the Logic's audio part that is not good as the Samplitude's one and gives some unstabilities. Samplitude is the stablest audiosoft in the PC world (with Sonar). And it is far better than Sonar for audioworks.

Slave Samplitude to Logic with the MTC (Midi Time Code).

Use Windows XP, it is the best Windows OS, very stable. Tweak it, you already know how to do it. If you don't know how, there are plenty of internet websites that gives you the tips for.

I'm confident Samplitude Professional will improve hugely on MIDI; it is already usable for, even if not as complete as Logic is in this domain. The Samplitude's team is incredibly good.

That's my advice

Go to the annoucement forum, Samplitude 7.1 topic, to understand more of my thinking...

http://www.planetz.com/forums/viewtopic ... forum=10&7

Cheers,
Grok

BlackSun · Post by **BlackSun** » Thu Mar 06, 2003 6:45 am

Is it possible to run Sam together with logic on the same system????
If yes: How??

But anyway, I´m not interested to use 2 programs.
I want ONE DAW that works 4 my need (professional music production).
4 shure, Logic 5 is there 4 PC but I want to be ready for upcomming Logics.
I love EXS, EVP and ES2.....

[ This Message was edited by: BlackSun on 2003-03-06 07:13 ]

Post by **garyb** » Thu Mar 06, 2003 1:02 pm

if you want to use logic,keep using pc(it's still current, it's at v5.51).wait....wait....in six months see what's happening.there's no rush,the pc version is quite good and will do good work for quite a while longer.the next macs will probably be better.samplitude is a good app,it won't replace logic tho....(i use both)

Grok · Post by **Grok** » Thu Mar 06, 2003 7:51 pm

On 2003-03-06 06:45, BlackSun wrote:
Is it possible to run Sam together with logic on the same system????
If yes: How??
...

Sure! Use Midi Time Code synchro (not Midi Clock, coz it's not accurate as Midi Time Code is) and slave Samplitude to Logic

and Windows XP is the best PC OS for doing that, coz it's a stable and true multitasking OS

So you can have the best of both worlds: MIDI with Logic and Audio with Samplitude, for a "cheap" (considering the Samplitude's outstanding quality and reliability and features on Audio) crossgrade and have free upgrades with the "Sam for Rent"

And as I said earlier: the Samplitude's team is really a good team, very reactive, listening to users, and always working (sometime we -users- are asking them if they really don't sleep), so I'm confident this product will be on par with the best sequencers in a relatively short time.

You can also stay with your current Logic version; I'll just say to you that Sam Pro is unbelievably superior to Logic for audio, and that the Room Simulator in Real Time is also an unbelievable feature! After that said, it's up to you!

Cheers,
Grok

Grok · Post by **Grok** » Thu Mar 06, 2003 10:16 pm

For those who really wants to buy a Mac, it seems that they have to be careful at this moment, coz many Macs defective units have been reported these last months.

A link (MacFixIt, troubleshooting solutions for the MacIntosh):

http://www.macfixit.com/staticpages/ind ... 1071918881

Post by **garyb** » Thu Mar 06, 2003 10:34 pm

i don't find samplitude miles ahead of logic for audio.it is a good app though,i do use it.logic is very nice with audio.is there really a best anything?(i'll answer that,"no")the "best" always refers to a very limited circumstance.

this fashion will also pass............

Grok · Post by **Grok** » Thu Mar 06, 2003 11:06 pm

So go to the Chrisl Mine UAD forum (you know, the audio place where a post can be read 6000 -six thousand- times), and see how much many experienced SX and Logic users have been blown by the sound difference when they checked the Sam demo.

After all, it's a matter of taste...I'm happy many real musicians and sound engineers appreciate the hudge advantage Samplitude gives for audio.

You may say: what for? I'll say: for the love of sound and music. Maybe it's a stupid thing...But we're just like that

We love the best sound, before even thinking to sell it

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Round1 · Post by **Round1** » Fri Mar 07, 2003 2:34 am

On 2003-03-05 07:17, TonyR wrote:

If you look in the Problem Solving section you'll see countless questions on ASUS this, IRQ that, which MOBO, rarely any Mac questions. In Tech Talk you'll see countless talk on how to get the optimal PC (software and hardware), whereas you get one page of how to optimise your Mac (mainly disabling extensions).

That maybe true, but I think in fairness that there's a much higher ratio of PC guys on here.
Come on over to the Logic Users List sometime and you'll see a huge number of Mac problems on a daily basis. And ironically this actually seems to be increasing with the new (blowhole) desktops, the OS-X transition, the plugin dilema (VST/AU). I thought the combining of Emagic/Apple was going to make things easier/better.....maybe in a years time it will be......but currently it's not all rosy in Macland.

Further to this I've worked in commercial studios that run Mac/Pro Tools rigs, and they are not flawless systems by any account. I myself used to believe the Mac guys when they'd tell me "well Macs don't crash like PC's"....but in the real world things are different.
Agreed PC can be trickier to set up & tweak (part of the problem is the HUGE ammount of hardware available....both a bonus and a burden at the same time!!), but once setup they'll arguably run better than the Mac equivalent (I'm talking the top spec stuff here)....I even think you caould agree

However I would question getting the new Macs as I think these are the worst they've ever done and the client backlash will mean that Mac will produce better machines very shortly I'm sure.

Tony R

I hope they do as well. I might eventually get a Mac to continue using the Logic line of software, but certainly not at the moment. I'd be paying way more for a few new Logic 6 features, but LESS performance and the loss of important VST plugs.

Regards.....Dave

Mr Arkadin · Post by **Mr Arkadin** » Fri Mar 07, 2003 3:00 pm

Fair points Dave, but I was just making the point that for a dunderhead like me who doesn't know a thing about ASUS, IRQs (and I'm not joking here) Macs are great and PCs (for me anyway) take too much time to put together (though you can do a very good job if you know what you're doing - I don't!). For general info also know that I'm actually glad that Pulsar isn't OSX yet as, like you say, there's a bit of ironing out to do. Plus I use VST and SX hasn't excited me yet from what I've read on the VST Mac Forums and I'm at a bit of a junction as to what to do (I'm sticking with OS9.2.2, SFP3.1c and VST/32 5.1 on my single processor G4 - it's the best system I've ever had). However, none of this is helping that poor chap who asked the question so long ago it seems.

All the best

Tony

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astroman · Post by **astroman** » Fri Mar 07, 2003 5:55 pm

indeed, OSX is causing a lot of trouble among Apple's long term customers.
Today I had a phonetalk with someone who owns a publishing agency and took the opportunity to ask him about his and his collegues' experiences with the new OS.
NOONE, really NOONE likes or wants OSX.
There's absolutely no advantage for current jobs, but a lot of unix-ish hazzle and network annoyances plus a bunch of security issues which the previous OS simply didn't have.
Apple survived all business lows due to the loyality of these customers, who are now forced to switch over to something they don't need. This sucks.
On the other hand with regard to BlackSun's original question: there are good Macs out, those not so overtuned G4s, which appear frequently on photos of countless professional studios.
Obviously they must be usable machines, and if Apple doesn't want to sell them they are cheap on eBay

cheers, Tom

kiminet · Post by **kiminet** » Fri Mar 07, 2003 7:51 pm

Hi blacksun

I run SX and samplitude and none of them are buggy.It must be something in your system setup.
Samplitude is a beautiful audioprogram but a
lousy midisequenzer.
Tell us what system you run and somebody might be able to give you some system-trimming advises.

Best regards
Kim

[ This Message was edited by: kiminet on 2003-03-07 20:32 ]

BlackSun · Post by **BlackSun** » Sat Mar 08, 2003 4:38 am

On 2003-03-07 19:51, kiminet wrote:
Hi blacksun

I run SX and samplitude and none of them are buggy.It must be something in your system setup.
Samplitude is a beautiful audioprogram but a
lousy midisequenzer.
Tell us what system you run and somebody might be able to give you some system-trimming advises.

Best regards
Kim

[ This Message was edited by: kiminet on 2003-03-07 20:32 ]

Hi Kiminet,
Not buggy??
That was my first thought too!
But after some complex production, sx drives me insane!
Here some major bugs:

-Project cannot be load next day (10h work for trashcan)

-solo/mute bug:
SX changes solo-mute state randomly while mixing

-group bug:
its not possible to route new groups to existing groups

-No chance to change insert-position of insert-efx (not a bug but sad)

-Try to write new names for kontakt or halion programs if its surface is "always on top"

-Audio Clip stops playing in the middle (save to a new file and replace it as workaround)

-horrible window behavior particular in dual screen mode

All theese bugs are reproduceable on differnt computers.
I´ll stop here... Only a small impression...

Lets hope 4 nuendo 2.0

b.t.w.
My system with SFP runs like hell

THNX

[ This Message was edited by: BlackSun on 2003-03-08 04:46 ]