Scope 6 & General Improvements on X64 Win 7

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Re: Scope 6 & General Improvements on X64 Win 7

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dante wrote:JUCE - Hmmm - ... then Holger might come up with a different strategy !!
If there´s a one-man coding "team" only,- SCOPE 6 is a herculean task.
Why doing all new when manpower is missing and not enough time available ?

What about a few updates in several small steps like fixing and improve stuff in SCOPE 5.1 to come up w/ v5.2 p.ex..

There must be more problematic than JUCE and I don´t think making STS sampling and sequencers available in 64Bit depends on JUCE as also doesn´t improvement of (MIDI) preset system.
Even the Minimax OSC #1 octave-switch bug could be fixed w/o JUCE, I believe.

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garyb wrote:while everyone is having fun, i'll be that guy who reminds everyone that it's not as simple as you might think, especially without a whole team of people...
Sure I know all this, I was just having a giggle. Although it would be nice with bits of "news" once in a while and not only with years in between.
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that's what I meant in the past with 'make some noise' every now and then.

S/C looks probably dead to the outside world which has no motive to see the long term picture.
There will come a moment that the time is up.
The GUI and especially some important project routines get to get too much outdated to be taken serious enough by potential new customers.

And I don't even mention OSX support here ;-)

Still making nice mixes on the cards on OS9, so no complaints about that part :-)
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the GUI is the best part. :lol:
it's not dated in the least. it very useful for people who are comfortable with the studio. jmo, not a indictment.
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Bud Weiser wrote:What about a few updates in several small steps like fixing and improve stuff in SCOPE 5.1 to come up w/ v5.2 p.ex.. There must be more problematic than JUCE and I don´t think making STS sampling and sequencers available in 64Bit depends on JUCE as also doesn´t improvement of (MIDI) preset system.
Even the Minimax OSC #1 octave-switch bug could be fixed w/o JUCE, I believe.Bud
Assuming the source code exist, is documented, and readable, or modifyable without breaking it.

That can happen, when trying to fix someone else's spaghetti code, you can make worse than before ! Im doing similar project here, where I wrote a system using this guys DLL he left years ago, now his database is all encrypted and DLL breaks. So I have to rewrite all functionality in his old DLL, because we are getting a new SQL cluster you know.

Better to write or rewrite with own much better code sometimes, even if takes longer.

The thing is, NO-ONE really knows internally what happens inside S|C except Holger, only he can know the enormity of the task and therefore the strategic decisions we will never have a clue about.
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that's pretty much it Dante. it's hard to be a human and have wants, let alone needs, so it's not like i don't sympathize, but i think the main thing is that no one has given up. the hardware and software is already a pretty great thing, just as it is. no one in the world has done better, for what Scope is in it's entirety. we all would like certain things that would make everything soooo supreme, and that really is a good thing.

Scope has never really been computer hardware and software. there are cards in use that were originally mated to Pentium 2 machines in 4th generation i7 machines. it really is time for a redo, not to change it, but to make the system more compatible with the current operating systems. this doesn't mean that it's INCOMPATIBLE in any way with OSX or Windows7,8,9, but it's not matched as efficiently as it could be, so everything that needs to be done takes longer than it would if all of the basic building blocks were made from newer code.

making the same basic structure out of newer code means that eventually, updates and versions for other operating systems will be easier. so may things need to be rebuilt, that it just doesn't make sense to do things twice, once quickly(which so often ends up being a nightmare)and then again for the new, updated version. v5.1 represents code that came out of windows 95 updated to work properly in windows8, and it does work properly, even if a few out of hundreds of plugins have a problem in 64bit(and a couple like the z-matrix in any os) have problems.

v5.1 is more than usable and useful, despite the lack of XTC mode and STS and older Scope sequencers in 64bit windows, unless that's all you want Scope for. if that's the case, i understand the unhappiness, if not, i understand the enthusiasm. don't think that it's complaining alone that i have a problem with, even joking. hey, the truth is the truth and opinions and feelings matter to people. i just want to also write about good stuff, because i don't want anyone to get the wrong idea. it's not incompetence(unless it's on my part) or lack if effort or concern or resolve that these jokes can be made. it's just reality. i can take the jokes, heck i didn't even do anything for people to be angry with me. :)

as i said, i just wouldn't want anyone to get the wrong idea, that the thing doesn't work and we're all desperately waiting for the day that our computers can make music or process audio. if you have Scope and you can't make music or process audio, sorry for you... :lol:
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