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Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 12:47 am
by astroman
I'd rather call it an inspiring synth engine for non-realistic instruments - there it does shine indeed.
A serious alternative between VA and FM, often more 'ear pleasing' than the latter as morphing sounds virtually projects instruments, but before they have the chance to fully manifest... they are already fading again - it's fun :D
But the website promises 'great guitars' etc, which is simply untrue - but well, we all have to pay a rent, don't we ? ;)

cheers, Tom

Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 1:25 am
by mr. prawn
physical modelling seems a rather neglected form of synthesis. i remember having fun w/ the 'steampipe' (i think it was called) synth in reaktor making weird feedback drones and such, you can make some interesting textures, kind of 'earthy' or 'organic' synth sounds. you can hear some sounds of the yamaha vl-1 here: http://www.kbspace.com/vl1m/audio/index.html. that was made in the early 90's and to me sounds pretty nice, id kind of like one if it wasnt so big...

Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 1:56 am
by AndreD

Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 2:17 am
by tgstgs
..it´s all about phase
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phases of the overtones !

there seems to be the harmonics/disharmonics that let us feel good or bad

still in testing . . .


good vibes from vienna

Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 3:21 am
by astroman
great link, Andre - Gary Garritan prooved that it just cannot be done :P
(and I don't even consider myself an expert in classic performances)

cheers, Tom
some sarcasm removed

Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 2:07 pm
by dawman
The Strad and also GigaViolin are great lead axe sounds for modern style music, and a few classical performances, of course using limited control abilities.

Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 2:55 pm
by astroman
as an exercise I made a small remix of 2 small excerpts of which I have the CD, the d-minor concerto by the great John Sebastian - its 4 section crossfaded, no need to tell which is which.

You're right, it's indeed not that bad, but the difference between the artist and the sequenced performance is more than obvious - and finally Garritan refers to classic examples as his yardstick.

What puzzled me a bit was that the 'CD' violin actually sounds more 'Stradivarius-like' than the sampled instrument - but Wikipedia had the details about the builder Jean Baptiste Vuillaume, who was an excellent cloner of the Italian masterpieces - he even aquired a bunch of Stradivari violins...

cheers, Tom
[sound example removed]

Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 4:32 pm
by slammah2012
the sound depends on the used string itself;
for the string itself as an oscillator the 3 controls are damping, ( controls the highs) decay (duration) and Inharm (intonation)
on the position of pluging the string (not only the location on the string also the angle of the pluging)
on the pluging style (finger, plectron, nail etc. . ) even the nails itself (long short) makes a differece;
if you plug up or down;
The Excitation modual has 4 main controls besides type(plectre/bow/hammer 1/hammer 2) the "position" you excite the string at is in the Geometry module as far as the angle and firmness of "pick" you have 1 protrusion (displacement amounts of string and plectre prior to string release into free vibration) 2 stiffness (of plectre) 3 Velocity (the speed of excitation with plectre) and 4 Damp the self dampening of the excitator...

if you hold the other strings or not;
ah..... the elusive sympathetic resonance
(the dampening modual deals with where you mute your strings at note off time and has mass , hardness, and velocity settings in the muting as well) you can actually create secondary oscillations from the damper "example" harmonic muting
!!my tests where made on same body only steelstrings!!!
analysing the spectrum
finaly:
a A is not a A it depends on where you play and how;
to play (control) such a instrument on a keyboard live uahrrr . . .
better take a guitar and learn to play it . .
It is not going to eliminate the need of real string players..... But as a Soft Synth, The Sounds using this Modeler are Vast and sound like a "real physical instruments" some that have yet to be heard..........

A definite keeper
BTW Ver 2 (not released yet) is supposedly responsive to polyAT meaning independent string bends will be possible on the same midi channel.....